Alcohol, Tobacco - New study suggest worse then pot, ecstasy

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people can drown internally from drinking too much water....water poisoning.

I'm obviously not a doctor or anything. I do know that one can find opinions for or against drug laws in the medical community. I don't have a solid opinion in regards to the legalization of medical marijuana, although based on what I have read it is being inappropriately dispensed rather often. Like any potential medication that would be brought on the market there is a pros/cons issue is terms of benefits to be considered.

Speaking in regards to casual usage, honestly, I think it is pretty clear from the evidence that significant marijuana usage causes brain damage. I would hardly deny that marijuana has some positive effect somewhere. Physically, on the lungs for example, it certainly it isn't as harmful as tobacco (although if you ask me if I preferred someone be a heavy smoker or a heavy pot user I would prefer the former). But even alcohol (in limited amounts) can be beneficial to health, and I wouldn't surprised in tobacco use helps somewhere.

Still, realistically, it marijuana was legalized you (just like alcohol) aren't going to have solely light users.

The difference of opinion (the unbridgeable gap) here seems most positive in regards to damage to the brain.

and this is where your motives lay. not in the health aspect at all...but rather that you don't like pot smokers...probably somewhere in your past you had some idiot who smoked and it ruined your opinion of people who do smoke pot (but that's just a shot in the dark and could be entirely and totally off). but with that statement, you've made clear your motives aren't for the health of the individual so any arguments either way are thrown off by your bias.

That's not true. I was just making an honest statement in regards to my own opinion due to my interpretation of the facts. I believe that damage to the mind is much worse then damage to the body.

ADDENDUM: I would like to make a further specific factual addition in my regards. In my past I knew, casually, several persons who smoked marijuana including persons within my own family. However the information in regards to them (as well as myself) is hardly enough to make any overriding basis on the larger world. Micro and macro and different and I have always understood that.

Last edited by jimservo on 25 Mar 2007, 5:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.

the damage to the mind is fake. real people die from smoking cigarettes.

edit: gimme a second, i'm gonna add onto this.




i've seen the studies that cite brain damage as a result of smoking pot. the way those tests are carried out, the brain damage is more caused by oxygen deprivation than by the actual pot. short term memory loss is an exaggeration and depends on how much you smoke (and really, is similar to the memory loss you experience with alcoholism...except you don't have that nasty withdrawal like you get with alcoholism nor do you get the liver problems...just lung problems if you smoke it). there are also many studies that say that thc protects the brain from being damaged in the instances of stroke or injury to the brain.


you find the facts you want to find....i'll admit i probably end up guilty of this as well but i try to get away from it. it's one of the important underlying lessons in the mismeasure of man by stephen jay gould....if you expect a certain result, you will find ways to get that result. i try to free myself from that bias and at least be open to being wrong and saying i missed something.

I'm going to take this as my opportunity to withdraw. This actually isn't even on my primary (or secondary) interests in politics. I'm outnumbered and now I must bravely...


RUN AWAY!! !

Monty Python FTW!

Great job, Jimservo, for holding up the debate alone against 3 or 4 people. Alot of what you said is an extremely important part of the ongoing argument and I'm glad there was someone here to represent that side of it; hopefully what you've said will make some of the more fanatical marijuana advocates on this board gain more of a perspective as to why not everyone is thrilled about the idea of legalization. The issue is far from being black and white.

great job and i feel bad that it ended up as being ganged up on....i mean i try to see both sides of the issue but i fail to see any viable points on why the drug should be illegal. there are points to be made, but i, personally, don't see them as viable.



and yes, i was wrong on some of my facts....the alcohol thing is pretty dense in retrospect. alcohol is something that's very much ingrained into our culture. but i still think there would be a difference made....at the very least, i'd probably give up most alcohol other than an occassional drink and beer. which is something i more enjoy for the flavor and character...not to get drunk.


though i still think the positives would outweight any negatives with it's change in status to decriminalized and regulated (like alcohol).


but hey, i also think prostitution should be legal...i'm a few decades ahead of my time in terms of social issues.

Yeah you people ganging up on Jimservo has stressed him out so much he has now smoked up his entire weeks supply of weed and its only Sunday.

Pretty much the same as I feel.