Republicans Woefully Out of Touch With Reality...

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Maybe I need to phrase the question a little differently - dark ages, death squads, and our country turning to a 3rd-world shell state is a perfectly acceptable outcome just so long as we keep floating the fantasy bubble right now?

Would I be fearful or greedy to indicate to myself that I shouldn't buy a $200k house or a $40k house right now but rather keep living with my parents, keep driving the 180k+ car that I have because I don't have the kind of money for that lifestyle, that I'd be filing chapter 7 bankruptcy quicker than I know it otherwise, and that it would stay on my credit record for a long time and impact my ability for employment?

I can't help but feel like there's a bit of a confusion between fear and greed vs. responsibility and accountability. If there's any liberal out there who looks at our 18 trillion deficit and shrugs, quotes Keynes, and offers that government budgets are magic - I can see where views to the contrary would be considered fear and greed; in their bubble there'd be no other language for responsibility and accountability.

I don't see it. I think we're wastefully raping a rather limited set of planetary resources. Unfortunately the psychological values that go along with capitalism if it's seen as a way of life, a religion in and of itself, have had a huge hand in this. I think what we're looking at, even if we got it right and got the right system, is rather than everyone being rich something like everyone having the general boiler plate of not dying of neglect, starvation, or treatable conditions and having something like a guaranteed minimum of lodging. We throw 'stuff' around like its pure fiat as we've been spoiled by mass production, play evolutionary competing-for-a-mate games with the stuff (that we continue well into our sixties after our kids are well grown and the thing's done already), and I don't feel like the society we're creating, nor the environment for that matter, can handle our baseness nor our cupidity.

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the word of this era, is entropy.

Might it be fair to say that anyone who'd look at the problems in the US and other western countries, look at how the culture/reality gap is sitting, and points across the isle to the party opposite them and says 'It's all their fault! If only we had our way' is woefully out of touch? It just seems like both parties - Republican and Democrat - have plenty of koolaid to be swilled, plenty of things they say that are completely different from what they do, and while some people can be pointed out as examples of incredibly poor leadership and management to point that out does very little to cleanse the shabbiness of the party that they're not in.

thinking people understand that neither party has a monopoly on virtue, but it needs to be reiterated that we live in a culture where at any given time, the only realizable options amount to "the lesser of two evils." Bismarck long ago said "politics is the art of the possible" which is another way of saying it.

Right, but caricature threads pop up so often that the obvious seems to need a lot of repetition.

I wonder if some more advanced visitors from zeta reticuli or some other place were to park in orbit above us and watch our goings-on rather like you might peer under a rock, would the behavior of our public and private figures be easily distinguishable [by them] from caricature? how does one know they wouldn't be saying to themselves, "they have GOT to be kidding!"? or "those beings are out of their stinkin' minds!" or "those jokers are INSANE! let's ditch these clods already!"

Our lovely extradimensionals, pukas, Enochians, etc. already know what we are and why we are what we are. Anything that's been through our stage of evolution probably has a bit more insight into the nature of primative consciousness in its teething so anything more advanced could probably rattle off everything that's ahead of us, probably exactly as it will happen, and it would be because they'd have models far more extensive than us just looking at ourselves.

How do you get from deficit spending to death squads?

Hyperbole much?



I don't know what your financial situation is but personal finance and national finance are not analogous.

If you're living rent free it might make sense for you to save up a substantial down payment before buying a house.

People who pay rent should talk to a financial planner.



Governments can print money and in that sense they are a little magical compared to personal budgeting.

But it also sounds like you don't actually understand anything about servicing debt.

Sorry about that - you're right. I forget sometimes that America is a unique case and that system collapse wouldn't dampen our neighborly spirit.

A thing about Keynesianism that I was able to verify with a few minutes of looking around online - Keynesian economics is a model that acts as a smoothing gradient. Deficit spending is done during times of economic contraction to mitigate it, decrease reactionary saving, and in doing so bring the system back on line. The other half of it however is it's a model meant to be deficit neutral; that is during times of economic boom the same party injecting the money and going into deficit spending is supposed to run equal and opposite surpluses. If that's an accurate description of Keynesian monetary policy then one would have to admit that the constant deficit spending we're doing isn't Keynesian economics at all, nor do Keynesian economics suggest that government deficits only bear the illusion of consequence.

Right. Keynes proposed that the government should spend big on stimulus in a recession and then get stingy and save up capital when things are going well.

To my knowledge, no government has ever worked both ends if that scale.

its more an excuse to steal money that isn't theirs and make themselves rich

its all a racket

just about any organization that eventually gets contaminated with the racket virus, seems to have the racket genes it seems, humanity's fatal flaw.

What, the government? Salaries for elected leaders aren't that much of a strain on the economy. If you mean people who are in poverty, or are disabled are doing the stealing, well, they're hardly the ones collecting taxes. So really, no individual or individuals are getting rich off of collecting taxes. If you mean the stimulus derived from taxes, well that money would have gone to something useless, like military spending, or tax refunds for the rich. And besides, that stimulus money ends up back in the economy anyhow.

I was talking about the supposed Keynesian deficit spenders and money printing central bankers, they rob you blind and you don't even know. They don't have to tax, they can just leach the value out of your money by creating more. Obama's stimulus was just him paying off everyone that got him to the White House, Big Business in the US is the biggest welfare queen in the world next to our MIC. We have so many sacred cows. Poor and working class people aren't lobbying congress, their voices don't ever actually get heard. There is no saving in "good times" its just more take take take and when the recession it was take take take. It's a racket. Our government is bought and paid for by the special interests.