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24 Jul 2015, 12:41 pm

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He is the U.S. Commander in Chief of its military.
That would be true, if the US was in a war. we're not, so he's not, and it logically follows that since he's not the hand that pulls the trigger(or presses the button?), he's not the person killing innocents.


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u berry berry funny :!: :!:

not in a war.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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24 Jul 2015, 3:08 pm

Here's an update to this story - teen who flew drone was arrested for assaulting two cops but claims he was the one being harassed and it's connected to his drone video:

http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc ... tml#page=1



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24 Jul 2015, 6:44 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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That's true only to a certain extent. Of course they wouldn't want their enemies to have guns, nor did they hesitate at doing some stuff they felt was backwards in order to keep The Union from falling apart (though you can really only say that about the Federalists). But in general, you are talking about philosophers that believed it was a citizens right and duty to bear arms for a few reasons, of which the main two are 1) Protection of The State and 2) When The State gets out of hand, people will have means to fight back. Were it not for militia (of which members brought their own supplies initially mostly guns) made up of ordinary citizens, the Continental Army wouldn't have existed, the Revolution snuffed out, and you'd have an entirely different set of events.


At the time, everyone's weapons were pretty much on even keel. A man with a gun can shoot another man with a gun and that would cancel out anyone going after anyone else with a gun and it's naive to think this is realistic because they will shoot each other. This was back in 1776 or thereabouts and it was reasoned, the ones with the guns are the ones who will rule. Guns were the ultimate answer to securing anything. It doesn't keep a free state from being invaded by something else, or the government from doing what it will. What keeps the government from harming citizens is one that's free of corruption, with a solid constitution that limits what the government can do. If the government is not corrupt, such a constitution is the real protection because the government can consistently be counted on to honor it. If the state doesn't have a sound constitution and a government willing to play by the rules, it can easily carpet bomb a state out of existence, or it can use the H bomb. It has tanks, it has fire, it has even bigger guns. It will kick everyone's ass unless it's military declares it won't be a party to that. The military can stop it because this is what fights wars for a nation and if it's out of the game, no one is left to obey orders from the top dogs. So it's naive thinking from a bygone era guns are going to stop a government from abusing it's power. They simply aren't enough, on their own, against government organization.

With that being said, they could be used for protection of individuals (under certain circumstances) and hunting of food. Or, they can just sit in a gun case or shelf forever as geegaws or antiques. Collector's items intended for resale. That is their practical value but if the other guy has a gun, you are back to square one, who is going to shoot who? So you must have a plan for that! For that kind of situation, you need to have a certain amount of training or a gun is useless.

There is so much mythology surrounding guns in the US. People think guns are what makes you invincible, but in fact, it's combination of factors, one being if you can figure out how to use your gun without getting shot. It's much more complicated than just owning a gun.

After reading this, you might conclude I am anti firearms but I am not. I believe those who want a gun but do not plan to use it to murder others should be allowed to have them. I believe those who understand a gun is not a toy should be allowed to own them. All the others either need educating first, need some kind of mental conditioning before they have one or not have one.



oath keeps with guns have stopped the BLM twice. despite the governments overwhelming power they were stopped at least twice by just people with rifles. not going to go into it more the whole people wouldn't stand a chance against the government has been showed to be wrong over and over here and other places.

how do you know who's going to murder? not like they tell and anyone could do it . you might 5 years from now decide to murder someone. there's no way to know.

taking some guns is anti gun, taking one gun is anti gun. simple as that. that's like saying you going to take all someones money but then saying you're take all of it but 20 dollars. se you're not a thief. you left them 20 dollars.
you want simi auto guns to be taken away and banned. thats anti gun. heck even some of the ban all guns people don't' think they'll anti gun they just want reasonable laws which is no guns.

what makes your uncle so special? how do we know we can trust him. see that's why laws have to only take guns on acase by case not by just wide spread generalizing.

when all the pro gun and pro second amendment people say you're anti gun you are. it's like the kkk saying they aren't racist.



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24 Jul 2015, 10:23 pm

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I am not an anti. I have supported responsible gun ownership time and time again but I do believe people are not always qualified to have a gun because of their mental state which can change, depending on a variety of variables, from time to time. So, should someone lose the right indefinitely? I don't support they lose it forever but if someone is, say, homicidal, or suicidal ,they should temporarily lose the right and if they are always in that state, they can't have guns until they figure out it's time to work to change that state of mind. Someone is determined to keep themselves safe - they should have the right but keep in mind, a gun is not always going to make them invincible and can bring them a lot of trouble if they are not aware.

Yeah, and you always cherry pick guns alone as if incidents involving them they were the sole source of mishaps.
Why?

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Like my uncle for instance, I would not advocate anyone taking his guns but occasionally, my cousin has been a bit prone to recklessness with his. My uncle has never done anything dumb with his guns, to my knowledge but my cousin had lapses of reason. How do you approach these situations, with reckless people who don't seem to understand what a gun really is?

Is this the cousin that blew his hand off while improperly negotiaging a fence with a shotgun?
Tuff s**t.
He was taught the right way at least in hunter safety class so it's no ones fault but his own for doing it the wrong way and getting hurt. You cannot save some people from themselves because there is no cure for stupidity.

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This drone thing is just a lapse of reason and should be approached and treated as such but not infringe upon anyone's rights permanently unless they can't get it through their heads it's not acceptable to place a rapid firing gun on a machine that cannot balance, aim or stabilize.

You didnt even think of balance, stability, and aiming until I brought it up.
A rapid firing gun??
Please.... :roll:


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24 Jul 2015, 10:38 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I am not an anti.

Mmm hmm, well you're posting history indicates otherwise.

If I were a anti I would say take all the guns away but I am not saying that.

No, the more recent tactic is gun control via * safety or ** divide and conquer.
Only a gomer resorts to spewing the take the guns away thing.

*Safety as in mandatory storage requirements and government mandated and regulated safety training to name a few. Of course, the followers of this are the same ones that blast the NRA, which incidentally is the leading authority on firearms safety.

**Divide and conquer in a nutshell is that the classic hunting rifle or shotgun is okay (for now) but AR-15's and AK's are evil and have no legitimate sporting purpose.

You're still clearly an anti so why not just admit it?


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25 Jul 2015, 8:31 am

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Yeah, and you always cherry pick guns alone as if incidents involving them they were the sole source of mishaps.
Why?

Guns are a controversial topic. I suppose you are referring to fatal auto accidents and why I am not cherry picking those but remember, automobile operators have a lot of regulations already as in; if you don't drive by the rules and get caught you are subject to fines and loss of driving privileges so they already tackled it. So if someone is driving like a bozo and gets caught, they are subject to being reprimanded by authority. I guess if they really wanted to get tough, they could do the same for cars, put really bad drivers or those who are perpetually under the influence and choose to drive, on a list that everyone has to check before they can have an automobile. I don't see why that isn't an option. If you can do that with guns, then why not pass a background check for autos? People might straighten up and it might impact the number of accidents, lessening them. Some hardcore folks would still end up on that list though. I am not adverse to such an idea because I do my best to go by the traffic laws, not drive under the influence and I never drive with a cell phone in my hands. I don't have any points on my record, haven't caused accidents.
If I can do it, why can't these people that drive with no sense? I see some pretty bad driving skills every time I go out and I suspect it's because they are on cell phones. It's why they can't be bothered to use turn signals, they just float over in the other lane, sometimes without even looking. This used to be the exception now it's the rule. it requires two hands to steer and operate turn signals and one of theirs is reserved for that all important phone. I mean Lord knows that phone is far more important than ever driving safely so you better not infringe upon their phone holding hand!



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Is this the cousin that blew his hand off while improperly negotiaging a fence with a shotgun?
Tuff s**t.

He was taught the right way at least in hunter safety class so it's no ones fault but his own for doing it the wrong way and getting hurt. You cannot save some people from themselves because there is no cure for stupidity. [/quote]
In his defense, that happened when he was a teenager and nothing bad has happened in years and years so now he's okay with guns but at the time, acting like that...maybe he needed to be grounded from guns for a while? And he was taught the right way by his dad but he had this super ridiculous friend and he was with him when it happened. That friend was always doing dumb things.

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You didnt even think of balance, stability, and aiming until I brought it up.
A rapid firing gun??
Please.... :roll:
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With some modification, improvements could be made allowing for better aiming and that could result in them being used for mass shootings. However, I was thinking in terms of accidents with that particular incident because it was crude which is obvious.

Well ya in the video, if you will kindly observe, the gun fired rapidly without a human hand firing it. That should bother the vast majority of gun owners who are aware of what that means and considering the drone was unstable like you said...it's just irresponsible. I mean, you could attach a gun to a selfie stick and rig it to fire continuously instead of holding it in your hand. You could place it on the hood of your car, do the same thing while driving like Bo Duke. You could attach it to a tree branch or the roof of a house. Anywhere. But is it a good idea? Just because it's a drone suddenly it becomes a different matter.



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At the time, everyone's weapons were pretty much on even keel. A man with a gun can shoot another man with a gun and that would cancel out anyone going after anyone else with a gun and it's naive to think this is realistic because they will shoot each other. This was back in 1776 or thereabouts and it was reasoned, the ones with the guns are the ones who will rule. Guns were the ultimate answer to securing anything. It doesn't keep a free state from being invaded by something else, or the government from doing what it will. What keeps the government from harming citizens is one that's free of corruption, with a solid constitution that limits what the government can do. If the government is not corrupt, such a constitution is the real protection because the government can consistently be counted on to honor it. If the state doesn't have a sound constitution and a government willing to play by the rules, it can easily carpet bomb a state out of existence, or it can use the H bomb. It has tanks, it has fire, it has even bigger guns. It will kick everyone's ass unless it's military declares it won't be a party to that. The military can stop it because this is what fights wars for a nation and if it's out of the game, no one is left to obey orders from the top dogs. So it's naive thinking from a bygone era guns are going to stop a government from abusing it's power. They simply aren't enough, on their own, against government organization.

Sigh.....I just keep finding these little nuggets of your wisdom :roll: to shred.
Ever heard of guerrilla warfare?
Maybe study up a little on Afghanistan starting at about 1980.

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With that being said, they could be used for protection of individuals (under certain circumstances) and hunting of food. Or, they can just sit in a gun case or shelf forever as geegaws or antiques. Collector's items intended for resale. That is their practical value but if the other guy has a gun, you are back to square one, who is going to shoot who? So you must have a plan for that! For that kind of situation, you need to have a certain amount of training or a gun is useless.

There is so much mythology surrounding guns in the US. People think guns are what makes you invincible, but in fact, it's combination of factors, one being if you can figure out how to use your gun without getting shot. It's much more complicated than just owning a gun.

More of regurgitating information that others have given you in this forum. I know at least I've discussed this at some length months and years BEFORE you did which this was probably the first time.
It’s like giving a starving person a bar of Ex-lax in that you get out of them what you put in.

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After reading this, you might conclude I am anti firearms but I am not.
Mmm hmm…...

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I believe those who want a gun but do not plan to use it to murder others should be allowed to have them. I believe those who understand a gun is not a toy should be allowed to own them.

And how to we go about sorting them out?

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All the others either need educating first, need some kind of mental conditioning before they have one or not have one.

And how does this come about?


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25 Jul 2015, 12:49 pm

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Sigh.....I just keep finding these little nuggets of your wisdom :roll: to shred.
Ever heard of guerrilla warfare?
Maybe study up a little on Afghanistan starting at about 1980.

Great example. Afghanistan is like the worst country on earth. Fat lot of good guns do them. It's like, who cares if you got to live like that? It's a country that knows no freedom. How can anyone says it's free even without the USSR or the US? It's a crappy, oppressive society of unwavering obedience, misery and death. Corruption runs rampant.

But yes I get what you are saying about a guerilla war. Still doesn't take away from bombs, tanks, napalm...and a government will use them regardless of who has guns if they see fit. They did it in Vietnam. They will do it with or without guerilla fighters. The guerilla fighters might actually make the situation more violent and bloody, prolonging the agony which is exactly what happened in Vietnam.

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More of regurgitating information that others have given you in this forum. I know at least I've discussed this at some length months and years BEFORE you did which this was probably the first time.
It’s like giving a starving person a bar of Ex-lax in that you get out of them what you put in.


I came up with that on my own. Notice how I stayed out of earlier threads and have only gotten involved as of late because arguing about guns usually goes nowhere? I haven't read the majority of posts over guns. I post a few times and do not read every subsequent post in the thread. I hardly ever read the posts of people who are anti gun because there's no point in me reading theirs. Guns are legal and they won't be outlawed any time soon and I am not calling for an all out ban anyway. I respond to those who want no restrictions whatsoever and say it's what the framers had in mind when that's not true. They didn't want their slaves or indentured servants to be armed.

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And how does this come about?

Just like people who don't understand how to behave behind the wheel - they are required, in some cases, to improve their skills before they can have their license fully reinstated. They have to attend some program. Since you are so quick to point out the similarities between guns and cars, why not create a situation where they are truly similar?



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25 Jul 2015, 1:46 pm

If someone took a big SUV and hit a line of people just right you could have a large amount of casualties.Many scenarios where something besides a gun could kill a huge amount of people.
Some nut could drive a Winnebago into a bouncy house and take out a pile of toddlers but we can't outlaw Winnebagos.
War in Afghanistan is nothing new.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War


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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Yeah, and you always cherry pick guns alone as if incidents involving them they were the sole source of mishaps.
Why?

Guns are a controversial topic. I suppose you are referring to fatal auto accidents and why I am not cherry picking those but remember, automobile operators have a lot of regulations already as in; if you don't drive by the rules and get caught you are subject to fines and loss of driving privileges so they already tackled it. So if someone is driving like a bozo and gets caught, they are subject to being reprimanded by authority. I guess if they really wanted to get tough, they could do the same for cars, put really bad drivers or those who are perpetually under the influence and choose to drive, on a list that everyone has to check before they can have an automobile. I don't see why that isn't an option. If you can do that with guns, then why not pass a background check for autos? People might straighten up and it might impact the number of accidents, lessening them. Some hardcore folks would still end up on that list though. I am not adverse to such an idea because I do my best to go by the traffic laws, not drive under the influence and I never drive with a cell phone in my hands. I don't have any points on my record, haven't caused accidents.
If I can do it, why can't these people that drive with no sense? I see some pretty bad driving skills every time I go out and I suspect it's because they are on cell phones. It's why they can't be bothered to use turn signals, they just float over in the other lane, sometimes without even looking. This used to be the exception now it's the rule. it requires two hands to steer and operate turn signals and one of theirs is reserved for that all important phone. I mean Lord knows that phone is far more important than ever driving safely so you better not infringe upon their phone holding hand!


Driving is a licensed privilege whist gun ownership is an enumerated right in the constitution. The difference between the two is huge.

I have to drive in heavy freeway traffic every day to get to work and some more non-freeway traffic at both ends. I see my share of stupidity all the time.

Once a month I have Range Safety Officer duty at the shooting range. I have had people do stupid things out there but I can stop and correct them on the spot. Most are comparatively small infractions of specific range rules and I’ve never had anyone let a bullet loose to wiz past me.
On the other hand I have had multiple heart stopping close calls during the 45 mile drive to/from the range than at the range. Only on the freeway I’m not a state trooper so I can’t pull them over. There is rarely a cop around when someone does something stupid until it ends in an accident.



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Is this the cousin that blew his hand off while improperly negotiating a fence with a shotgun?
Tuff s**t.
He was taught the right way at least in hunter safety class so it's no ones fault but his own for doing it the wrong way and getting hurt. You cannot save some people from themselves because there is no cure for stupidity.


In his defense, that happened when he was a teenager and nothing bad has happened in years and years so now he's okay with guns but at the time, acting like that...maybe he needed to be grounded from guns for a while? And he was taught the right way by his dad but he had this super ridiculous friend and he was with him when it happened. That friend was always doing dumb things.

s**t happens.

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You didnt even think of balance, stability, and aiming until I brought it up.
A rapid firing gun??
Please.... :roll:

With some modification, improvements could be made allowing for better aiming and that could result in them being used for mass shootings. However, I was thinking in terms of accidents with that particular incident because it was crude which is obvious.

We’re a long way from the kind of modifications, especially with the tools hobbyists have to work with, needed to successfully achieve the level of stability required to consistently enable a steady aim, let alone recoil compensation needed to stay on or quickly get back on target. I could go on and on about this.

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Well ya in the video, if you will kindly observe, the gun fired rapidly without a human hand firing it.

It was anything but rapid firing for anyone that knows what rapid firing is, even with a semiauto handgun. Have you even fired a gun before? I'm not trolling you I'm just asking.

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That should bother the vast majority of gun owners who are aware of what that means and considering the drone was unstable like you said...it's just irresponsible.
Bother? It’s mildly annoying to a little amusing at best. It’s so far from being an effective weapon that it warrants little to no attention for any reason. Even if it was effective so what? Just because something can be used for hostile purposes doesn’t mean it will be or that the owner of it is a criminal by means of possession.

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I mean, you could attach a gun to a selfie stick and rig it to fire continuously instead of holding it in your hand. You could place it on the hood of your car, do the same thing while driving like Bo Duke. You could attach it to a tree branch or the roof of a house. Anywhere. But is it a good idea? Just because it's a drone suddenly it becomes a different matter.

Here we go again. :roll:
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I kind of like this idea using this RC Tiger tank….


… but with the main gun being a real semiauto .223 or even a .308 with a muzzle brake. There are video cameras that attach to the back of the rifle scope that would be used for aiming. Another 180 deg. camera low mounted over the commander’s cupola.
Hell, if there’s room left in the turret maybe cut a hole in the front of it to accommodate the objective lens of a compact 45X or 60X spotting scope with a live view cam behind it to “spot” for the rifle (i.e. target identification and hit confirmation).

With that I could roll it out and remotely drive it through the woods behind my house and to where I can look out on the condos on the other side of the woods from a ridge about 400 yards away from them but still concealed by the trees. I’d use the live view cam in the commander’s cupola to guide my tank through the obstacles in the woods. Once on station I switch to split screen (doing this all from my computer right here in the house) where I'd use the spotting scope and rifle scope then go to work engaging “targets”. :twisted:

Being a grounded and much heavier platform, the effects of recoil would be minimalized and easier to quickly recover after each aimed shot.

Unlike the hovercraft, the technology and materials are readily and legally available now to do this with a tracked vehicle and have a truly effective remotely operated weapons system that you do not even have to have line of sight with.

So about all you’ve achieved by starting this thread is create a climate that facilitates evil thoughts forming in my already twisted mind. I had not thought about the possibilities of building remote controlled weapons in a long time and the last time it was RC-FPV controlled flying bombs. You’ve re-awakened the beast in me with a whole new line of evil.
Happy now?

I'd like to stay and chat longer but I've gotta go to the hobby shop and see if they have one of them tiger tanks and other enhancements for it. :D


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25 Jul 2015, 4:56 pm

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Driving is a licensed privilege whist gun ownership is an enumerated right in the constitution....

It is true that driving isn't an enumerated right, but a recent news report (actually commentary, as the facts aren't exactly new news, but, a historical survey of court opinions) showed that driving and traveling freely is a right:

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U.S. Supreme court and other high-court citations proving that no license is necessary for normal use of an automobile on common ways....

LinkedIn.com: "U.S. Supreme Court says no license necessary to drive automobile on public highways/streets" (April 21, 2015)
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25 Jul 2015, 6:43 pm

Raptor,
You like to take valid observations and turn them into a panic scenario. In other words, just admit what they did was dumb and move on.



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25 Jul 2015, 9:06 pm

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Driving is a licensed privilege whist gun ownership is an enumerated right in the constitution....

It is true that driving isn't an enumerated right, but a recent news report (actually commentary, as the facts aren't exactly new news, but, a historical survey of court opinions) showed that driving and traveling freely is a right:

LinkedIn.com wrote:
U.S. Supreme court and other high-court citations proving that no license is necessary for normal use of an automobile on common ways....

LinkedIn.com: "U.S. Supreme Court says no license necessary to drive automobile on public highways/streets" (April 21, 2015)
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/us-supre ... -letennier


It wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit if they did away with the requirement to have a driver's licences, either. But as it stands it's a lot easier to get a DL revoked than the right to own a gun.


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You like to take valid observations and turn them into a panic scenario.

Who's panicking?
You're the one that started this thread.

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In other words, just admit what they did was dumb and move on.

I've seen dumber things. This goofy handgun/hovercraft contraption isn't even noteworthy except, of course, to an anti-gunner.


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It wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit if they did away with the requirement to have a driver's licences, either. But as it stands it's a lot easier to get a DL revoked than the right to own a gun.

I agree. After all, many criminals who possess stolen firearms illegally to pursue their careers while avoiding government detection (and likely arrest), might also possess stolen motor vehicles illegally for the same reasons. They do these things despite the abundance of laws criminalizing and restricting such behaviors; proving that such laws affect only the law-abiding. In the end, most states wouldn't care about licensing driving or firearms if it wasn't such a lucrative scheme for them.


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AspieUtah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
It wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit if they did away with the requirement to have a driver's licences, either. But as it stands it's a lot easier to get a DL revoked than the right to own a gun.

I agree. After all, many criminals who possess stolen firearms illegally to pursue their careers while avoiding government detection (and likely arrest), might also possess stolen motor vehicles illegally for the same reasons. They do these things despite the abundance of laws criminalizing and restricting such behaviors; proving that such laws affect only the law-abiding. In the end, most states wouldn't care about licensing driving or firearms if it wasn't such a lucrative scheme for them.


Sure, unless the car is being operated in a manner that attracts attention, is involved in an accident, or the car fits the description of one the cops are on the lookout for you can drive from coast to coast over and over wtihout being stopped by the cops.

That shitbird that shot up that church in Charleston last month made it all the way through SC into NC in the same car before being apprehended. I know right where they caught him and it's on SR-74 in Shelby NC between Charlotte and Asheville. Worse still, it wasn't a cop that noticed the car but a concerned citizen that saw it in traffic and called the cops. Had it not been for that, who knows how far he would have made it.
So much for the cops... :roll:


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