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Funny lots of democrats seem to have a rather fond view of the police over all, maybe more people on the left than on the right care about police brutality....but plenty of democrats are more trusting of police and the system, some are even quite conservative on social issues...censorship anyone? democrats are one small segment of the left hardly represent it all. Also the way it looks is police have turned on the very citizenry of this country...being concerned about that as well as the corruption and brutality is not 'turning on the police' ....and what race agenda?

I mean alright I get it all of the left is completely and entirely evil according to you, the system is good and just and police brutality is great? And what poor people are you referring to that kill tens of thousands of innocent people every year...somehow I am thinking your average financially poor american has not been involved in committing mass murder so I'd need to see some evidence that the poor are killing more people than the cops per capita in this country.

If you are talking about an issue outside of this country...well would make more sense to start a thread about that, because it would be rather off topic in a thread about police and police brutality in this country which in turn could mean thread derailment.

763 so far this year. 1106 last year. That we know of.



Again it's about the position of trust. That another group of people also kills people is a separate issue, and could it possibly be a justification?

Martin O'Malley is a rather disturbing example of a democrat who is pro-police, and even pro-police-brutality.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... baltimore/

That's fine if you're a police hater, I take no issue with that. My only issue is why you're a police hater. Some police haters have good excuses, most, however, just deny their police-hate and have terrible rationalizing skills.

It seems your feelings on the matter mostly owe themselves to your valuing equality and pacifism. It isn't fair to you that police have state-backing to engage in socially-permitted violence that other public servants cannot, and in your view when judging the morality of the issue, either all state servants have that permission(not your preference) so that we can judge all public servants as scum equally, or none of them have that right, which I think is your preference. Which again, is fine, nothing wrong with that. I don't happen to value equality to the extant that you do, and I think pacifism is stupid and shouldn't be the basis from which one reasons from, but that's besides the point.

That point being that I just wish the left was honest with themselves, and forthcoming to others, over why we need to get rid of police, and the problem that police create with their mere existence, in our attempt to make a better country that helps all of its citizens. They're never going to be as angelic as you want them to be, and even European "police" aren't really police but instead are just revenue collectors who play dress up in uniform and give out fines, and I have the feeling that that, more or less, is what you'd like from ours.

Your experience of coming from a family that has law-enforcement history, isn't relevant to the strength of your argument.

That's not true. The Left started a much stronger anti-police campaign after the incident in Ferguson, then they've done so in the past and certainly much stronger then they did after their protest of stop and frisk or their outrage over law enforcement turning illegal immigrants into border control in Arizona. And when you control every media outlet and constantly fear-monger about America turning into a police state, it's not hard to imagine that a larger number will bite on to your narrative/story.

No that's my point though. You want to make an issue out of police brutality that frankly doesn't mirror the fear-mongering you're doing. Police have done bad, but haven't done that much bad compared to how much good they've done, and certainly haven't done the amount of bad that warrant the reaction you give.

Like, if you cared about brutality, there's like many more examples out there that would probably better warrant the hysteria you make about out-of-control police who kill and murder and traffic sex workers and puppet the illegal flow of narcotics, who aren't accountable for any of these offenses.

Police brutality is bad but but you're a hysteric blowing it out of proportion. Which is fine, nothing wrong with hysteria and smearing those who get in the way of our politics lol.

Most people who murder don't come from the middle or upper class. Most cops don't murder, or even kill.

By anti-police campaign do you mean pushing for police to be held responsible for their actions like the rest of us citizens? Is it persecution to expect that they face penalties when they commit crimes, abuse power or use excessive force? seems like you think it is.

Also last I checked I don't control every media outlet....as for the left if they control every media outlet how'd you explain things like Fox News? I don't hear a lot of fear mongering about a police state in the media, I hear of incidents and have learned of various forms of corruption and such that go on....and in my opinion it makes it look like things could or are moving in the direction of a police state.

But hell I've thought that for a while, since I learned of the Patriot Act since than things have been going downhill as far as the legal system....not that there weren't problems before.

You could say I had this opinion before it was cool .....had to add that because this is just getting ridiculous so needed to throw in some ridiculousness myself.

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If it is about excessive force, or even trust, there are many other things that more warrant your concerns, then cops, one of them being a group in American life who really need our help and condemnation, and that is black life. They need people to speak out against the tens of thousands, of blacks massacred in America every year by fellow blacks, while helping them to get out of their failing trashy leftwing run ghettos. Your focus specific to police brutality is obsessing with the trivial. Most Americans breaking fellow American's trust don't wear a badge and ride a crown-vic/charger/taurus.

And 1,000 people were killed by police? In a country with 320,000,000 people, and 1,000,000 police officers? That warrants the entire left's obsession with police brutality/corruption?

No, I mean the campaign to libel police officers as being racist for turning in illegal immigrants they arrested into Immigration, or for stop and frisk.

Fox News is the one tv channel where non-Leftist opinions are allowed. Fox unlike all the rest, have on articulate leftists and articulate conservatives, which you don't even have on CNN, where if an articulate conservative is brought on, it's one of them and a panel of Leftists disagreeing. What, all of the other news channels where articulate conservative opinion doesn't exist, aren't enough lol, you have to have fox news too?

And you don't hear about the police state because it doesn't quite exist. There are problems, such as the militarization of police units, but they aren't policing the public as if we live in a police state. http://www.city-journal.org/mp3/2013-07 ... -Balko.mp3

How am I a hysteric blowing it out of proportion? I've only said its a serious issue, explained why I see it that way and that I think addressing it is good. Are you denying that it is a serious issue? You make it sound as though I spend all my days raging about it on the internet, IRL and going out in public to scream at the masses about the evil police...all because I have been discussing the topic of this thread within this thread. I bet it would really surprise you that I have been doing other activities and discussing other topics in other forums between the posting I've done i this thread. Also who have I smeared?

Also most people who murder don't come from the poor class either...though I would like to see the statistics proving the poor are collectively killing tens of thousands of people a day as you said before in this country to humor you or are you changing it to 'most murderers are poor'? Though actually as far as individual murderers I don't think it has been studied what class most of them come from...I've heard of ones from poor upbringings, ones from middle class or higher upbringings.

And when did I say most police kill and murder? Just quit trying to get so personal over a forum discussion, so you disagree....doesn't mean you now have the skill to accurately psychoanalyze me or anyone else here for that matter.

Alright I did not hear of that exact campaign....and was it really that they were racist for turning in actual illegal immigrants to immigration, or more profiling and targeting anyone who looks hispanic to be stopped in the hopes of catching some dirty illegals?

Fox news the only place non leftist opinions are allowed? oh please....even my local news paper and news station allows non leftist opinions, there is plenty rightist opinions. And nah what in the hell would I want Fox news for, go ahead and keep that....not that I have any kind of power to deprive you or the rest of the oppressed conservatives of it anyways. It seems like you see any opinion that so much as questions the status quo or system as 'leftist.

And I know the police state does not exist yet....yet being the key word, militarization of police units would be one of the signs of moving towards that.

You didn't say that most cops kill or murder but your focus over police wrongdoing as if that were the case, as if they were massacring tens of thousands of Americans, which is the only thing that could justify your unjustifiable opposition to police corruption. I mean, what else would justify the left's making an issue out of almost nothing? That 'almost nothing' is worth calling out only the cops? That why it seems like you have it out for cops. Because thousands of young black men are massacred in America every year by each other, and you think that's something that's going on in another country. Tens of thousands more whites are killed by poor whites, but that's not who you find a problem.

It is a fact that most cops are actually not that bad, and just do their job, and a fact that only a thousand Americans(in a country of 320,000,000) die every year due to cops. So the level of your obsession and libeling(making an issue out of nothing), can only mean that there are things you're tuned into, facts that you know and the rest of society doesn't, that would make cops bad enough for the rest of us to want to stand against these abuses you know of. Otherwise... you're a hysteric, fear-mongering on a not-so-great institution, but also certainly not the bad corrupt one you make it out to be.

Since you aren't a hysteric, why do you think police are so bad? What do you know about them that the rest of us don't that would lead you to want to start a movement to correct them, at the expense of perhaps, starting another movement to stop corruption in other areas, or within other groups... And by the way, I'm not psychoanalyzing you, I'm just fleshing out the logical conclusions to your positions, and what your positions seem to be assuming. If I'm summarizing your assumptions incorrectly, feel free to either correct me, or revisit your positions.

I live a few cities over from Sweetleaf (afaik) and I saw a Longmont CO police armored personel carrier a few weeks ago. Military hardware counts as militarization by UN standards, last I checked. Perhaps we've cornered ourselves on a continent with gigantic weapons stockpiles with little clear idea of who if anyone they should be divided among.

Radical right speech is everywhere - caveat preemptor; the far right has defined speech as advertising, military/industrial private interests and corporate election backing. They don't care if you happen to agree with their rhetoric and very little insofar as what you have to say about it. I'm not terribly convinced the Dems do either.

Well, since you looked it up and read up on the Left's position on the issue, that was actually the libel that was smeared on to cops as soon as the legislation was passed, that they're inherently racist and will go around targeting hispanics in stops in order to deport them. I mean, it wasn't hours after that happened, before the Left was already libeling Arizona police with that. And then there was their hysteria over stop and frisk, something that has actually lowered crime in New York city.

By the way, I was only responding to your demand to explain the existence of Fox News lol. When I say all of the media leans to the Left, that statement is still true, even if WSJ and Fox aren't on the Left. And they are on the Left not only in their not inviting conservatives on to their shows while inviting a host of left-leaning commentators, but it's also in what they choose not to cover.

That is true, as I mentioned, before: http://www.city-journal.org/mp3/2013-07 ... -Balko.mp3

But you're talking about police state in terms of aesthetics. I'm talking about a police state, as in Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. Look I'm opposed to the militarization of the police but that's another issue.