Turkey downs Russian jet over syria....

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I think it is highly like that black market oil makes it way through Turkey, and if fact they know that infrastructure and companies are involved. However is it just as likely it is also making it way through Syria as well.

I was in Angola during the civil war. De Beers was buying diamond form both sides. Double dealing is pretty normal in these situations.

Black market oil is attractive, the are players involve that don't necessarily share the ideology of ISIS, but also lack any scruples so are willing to deal with them for money. This is not going to be exclusive to one side.

Let me guess - she's from Istanbul, Izmir or Thrace.

Alevis and Alawites are different things.

By the way no one here mentioned the true reason Turkey shot that Russian jet - they know Syria will be divided in the aftermath of the civil war, and will be split according to ethnic borders - and they want to add the territory where Turks live in Syria to their country. On the other hand, Russia bombs those towns so they would seek refuge in Turkey, and they would have no problems then with this territory. I hate Erdoğan, and they can't beat Russia so it's pointless, but Turkey is right here. "Syria" is a joke. There is no Syrian nation, just like there is no Iraqi one, and no Lebanese one. There are Maronites, Assyrians, Sunnis, Shi'ites, Alawites, etc. If a territory in northern Syria has a Turkish population, it only makes sense it would become part of Turkey, especially as Syria is falling apart anyhow. They would have to divide it. And where Turks live should be part of Turkey.

There was a Syrian nation until it was destroyed thanks in large part to Turkey, why should where Turks live be apart of Turkey? Should where Kurds live be apart of Kurdistan? What did the Turks do the Armenians, Assyrian, and Greek Christians that lived in Anatolia? What Turkey did is an act of war and Russia will make them feel the pain for Erdogan's arrogance and megalomania in trying to recreate the Ottoman Empire, they made the mistake of messing with Putin who plays that game much better so this is game of big bank take little bank. NATO will not help them since they are the ones that acted aggressively and the populace of NATO if given a choice would probably side with Russia before Turkey. Turkey is supporting ISIS, they are buying their oil, they are facilitating there travel over their border, we all know this, we support the Kurds so siding with Turkey against Russia would throw the Kurds further into Russia's sphere of influence. A Kurdish state is inevitable and the Turks are scared to death by it, the crazy ultranationalists of Turkey would rather spark a world war than give an inch of territory away. Erdogan needs to be put in his place, this conflict could spread much much further. We need to work with Russia and the French to defeat ISIS and al-Qaeda, terrorists are not legitimate opposition. How many foreign fighters are in Syria right now? Assad is the legitimate leader of Syria, he still has the structure of the state and along with Iran,Hezbollah, and Kurdish forces are the only ones actually fighting these jihadists on the ground. Allow Syrians to decide who their leader is in free and fair elections once their country has been cleansed of terrorist filth, if it is still Assad then tough ****.

Yes, there should be a Kurdistan. To answer your question, what Turkey did there was genocide. Unfortunately it's not mentioned today. But two wrongs don't make a right. I hate the Turkish regime, I think Armenian genocide must be recognized, and also that those territories where Turks live should be a part of Turkey today, while I also think they should give independence to the Kurds.

And when was there a Syrian nation exactly? An ethnic group defining itself as "Syrian"?

Assad massacres "his" people. The whole situation in the Middle East is a tribal issue. He's an Alawite. The Sunnis and Shi'ites and Kurds and other ethnic groups don't want him. He massacres them in response.

The Shi'ites and other ethnic groups see him as the only thing standing in between them and jihadists who have declared their intention to genocide everyone that isn't a Sharia-observing Sunni Muslim. That's why Hezbollah and Iran are supporting him, that's why the Syrian Christians support him, that's why a great many Syrian Druze support him, he was/is supported by a great deal of Sunnis as well before this war was started by outside forces. Most of the SAA is Sunni, it's more the just simple tribal sectarianism at this point given that the other side wants to bring the rest of society back to the 7th century and to provoke an apocalyptic war with the Christian West. Imagine where ISIS would be now if Assad had fell, we can't just declare leaders we don't like illegitimate. Did Bill Clinton lose legitimacy when he massacred 82 Branch Davidians in Waco? Could foreign leaders to tell him to "get out or else"? The Arab Spring was fraudulent, we tried to export the war we started in Libya to Syria but Syria unlike Libya had friends willing to help. We should of never been involved in Libya either, look at that country now.

All this talk about Jihad and Jihadists, makes me want to hope for a second holy crusade!

Zonguldak

Turkey is not just a little guilty.

The full documentation of mile long lines of trucks going into Turkey to Batman refinery have been posted by Russia, also the same going to the coast to load on ships, passing right through where the Russian plane was shot down.

Satellite photos show loading in ISIS controlled Syria and Iraq, 8,500 trucks, their route, and unloading at Batman.

Turkey is supplying ISIS with several million dollars a day, and have been for years. The trucks do not stop at the border, they roll right through.

Turkey is a full ISIS partner. They support the world's worst terrorist group.

The oil, and any trade with ISIS has been embargoed by the UN. The total is over a billion dollars.

By UN rules, sanctions apply, freezing bank accounts, blocking access to the banking network.

The Turkish Lira is in free fall. They just lost Russian tourism, food exports, business in Russia, the Turkish Stream Pipeline, visa free travel, and many other things.

Turkey is the sick man in Europe. Their Empire has been shrinking since 1633 at the siege of Vienna.

To make it worse, Turkey says it has a forty-five kilometer border buffer in Syria, to protect their border, and are going to invade. If Turkish military crosses the border it is war. When it was proved that the Russian plane was in Syrian airspace, that was the Turks reply.

Syria and Iraq were Ottoman Empire, taken by the British after WWI. In that war Russia was promised the Dardanelles, both sides, over to Greece. The Russian Revolution blocked that by a year.

Constantinople is the Holy City of the Eastern Orthodox, Russians, Syrians, Greeks, want it back.

The Russians now have S-400 radar coverage in Syria, Crimea, and Armenia. The Russian navy is north and south of Turkey, it will be a short war. NATO would not get involved.

The Kurds will get some new toys.

I find it very ironic that the Russian jet was shot down with a Russian made surface to air missile. Turkey was in the right in shooting down the jet. Turkish authorities warned the Russian jet numerous times that they were entering restricted airspace. The Russians have been probing NATO airspace for many years now with their "Bear" bombers.

The Russian jet was shot down by an F-14, American made, firing an air to air missile.

The Russian jet was in Syrian air space, was hit in Syrian air space and crashed in Syria.

You are correct.Actually it was an F-16.According to Turkey, the aircraft whose nationality was unknown at the time was fired upon while in Turkish airspace because it violated the border up to a depth of 2.19 kilometres (1.36 miles) for about 17 seconds after being warned to change its heading 10 times over a period of five minutes

Today Turkey invaded Iraq. 150 men with tanks reached just north of Mosul, along the Kurd ISIS front.

Iraq called it an uninvited invasion, and told them to leave, they also said they reject Obama's putting boots on the ground.

As the Turks do not fight ISIS, they are out to capture Kurd lands.

Iraq has called on Russia to provide air power.

Turkey has also claimed a 45 kilometer border buffer zone in Syria, and said they will invade it.

The US said they were aware of their coalition partners moves.

WWIII starts anytime now.

The Russian air supply line flies over northern Iraq.

Sending troops and tanks over the border to link up with your terrorist oil smuggling partners is a major act of war, the second in a week.

Turkey has declared war on Iraq, Syria, Russia, and Iran soon.

Somebody has to end the ISIS threat. America has done nothing about the ISIS threat. I doubt that WWII will start soon.