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You didn't read the modifier: illegals who PAY TAXES.

I know quite a few people who want to emigrate to America for economic reasons, are dead set on following the laws of the land, and dead set on paying taxes.

Why should we not give these people an opportunity?

That makes me upset: why would you say that I advocate people breaking into cars, etc.

You keep trying to do this. I don't know why, it isn't going to take.

People frequently mistaken populism for socialism.

Trump is, vaguely, a populist.

Trump is bringing up the same things as have been brought up for the last twenty-five years.

NAFTA will cause a great sucking sound as American jobs leave the country for Mexico.

If we grant amnesty to illegals, no more will come. We will hire a hundred more Border Patrol to seal the border.

We had to bomb Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, to make America safe. They will welcome us with flowers.

Cutting taxes and spending more than we have is the way to improve the economy.

If everyone would buy a bigger house, we would all get rich.

Go in debt to get an education, because all the future jobs will go to those with a Degree.

A Global market will fill our stores with goods priced lower than we could make, and our exports will boom as the world buys American.

We need more immigration because we are producing millions of jobs more than we have people.

These lies are getting so old, they are being forgotten.

Obama has been deporting two million a year. It is possible, it is just a matter of scale.

A quarter of the border does have a wall, all of California, some of Arizona. Illegals just go farther east.

On our trade deals, American companies in Mexico can pay a tariff to import to America, but Mexican produce can come duty free.

On manufactured goods, the tariff should equal the taxes and Social Security that would have been paid by American workers, and the taxes the company would have paid in the USA.

Exports to the USA above Imports from the USA should be taxed.

Money sent abroad from the USA should be taxed and Social Security deducted, unless it can be shown to have been paid. $9,000 in drug money can be wired to Mexico, for Western Union fees. We have no record of who sent it.

Getting rid of illegals, stopping all immigration, would help, but we need Mexican guest workers to harvest our crops.

Trump tries to talk the talk, but walking the walk is something else.

Yea, there were a few raisins in the mix; I wouldn't want to export someone who appreciated being here. Otherwise it's very pragmatic though, and it addresses things I feel strongly about.

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And you missed where i said there's no such thing as an illegal tax payer. They vane to be in the system to pay federal income tax. That means a ss# or green card which illegals by being illegal don't have.

They can have the same chance people from Asia and Europe have. Why are these people more deserving then those people?

If they were dead set they wouldn't have came over illegally. They would have immigrated legally through the system and got green cards and eventually citizenship.

You advocate breaking laws. So why not break all laws. You disapprove of immigration laws, well I disagree with the NFA. difference is I'm not out making full auto guns or non registered SBRs. They broke the laws which makes them criminals. So give them citizenship after they go through the same process others do then lock them up for 2+ years for breaking the law. Otherwise why have laws if the left can just pick and choose which ones they like. You'd be pissed if the right did that.

Why would people vote for Trump, on here especially? He has stated that he believes vaccines cause autism before.

You need to examine everything that the man has said, not just in the past couple of months.

Looks like quite a few people here would vote Trump. The predominant reason people support him is because they think he will break up the malignant status quo in DC and the rest of the country. Of course some people think he'll wind up leaning more to the left than other candidates, while others want him to lean more to the right.

If I saw any of my childhood tormentors running for POTUS, I wouldn't vote for them no matter what they said. Trump is almost 70 and he's a textbook example of a bully.

Neither. I rather stay home.

It's almost impossible to become a legal immigrant, these days, unless you marry a citizen.

What would you do, sir, if you had no opportunities in your country, yet had opportunities here?

That's exactly what makes this country great: the fact that people left their oppressive countries to come here and make a new life. Immigrants contributed mightily to this country. In the old days, before 1924, it was pretty easy to become naturalized. And they deserved to be naturalized, because they embraced the culture of our country.

Contrary to popular belief, most immigrants to this country embrace US culture (while not losing sight of their own culture).

America isn't unsettled frontier; there are far too many people with little to no opportunity already in this country and you're making their lives harder with resources already stretched so thin, there are probably 2 billion people on this planet right now if given the option would move to America and guess what? It wouldn't be America any more. Countries have borders, unfettered immigration is suicide.

Here is Trump's ideas ....

How are they not Socialist?

http://socialistparty-usa.net/platform.html

• "We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA)".

• "We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes".

• "We oppose "guest worker" programs".

• "We give critical support to the demand for the immediate abolition of all private health insurance companies through the creation of a single-payer health system".

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Yet 990,553 people did so in 2013. Doesn't sound like its so terribly hard.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/06/us/immigr ... ast-facts/

What I've seen people who are basically just Mexicans living here, they fly the Mexican flag and Sen. all their money back there. They don't speak English or try to.

Mexico is a oppressive gov? It's like left dream land heck the gas industry is completely owned by the gov to provide cheap gas to the people.

Legal immigration is hard work no doubt, with the having to learn English and American laws and such, but it's the right thing to do if you really embrace the culture and respect the nation you want to liv in. Otherwise just have open borders. I'm surprised people from other nations just don fly to Mexico and then cross over illegally. Nope they go about it the legal and hard way.


Never going to change my mind on this. There's laws, they're breaking them, it's a upfront to what this country was founded on and the millions of people current and in our history that worked their asses off to do it legally.

All right. You have your views, and I have mine.

Mine are based on real-life contact with people, and with all manner of immigrants. They're not based on some ideology.

It's a fact: It's virtually impossible to become naturalized unless you marry a citizen, have a very specialized skill, get sponsored by your employer, or win the "green card lottery."

I think if even a green-card holder is convicted of a crime, the person should be deported.

I wish Americans would try to see the viewpoint of people who want a better life.

And don't start assuming I'm some "liberal" or something. I'm liberal in some things, conservative in others.

Me too