Kraichgauer
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17 Jan 2016, 7:39 pm
17 Jan 2016, 8:28 pm
Fnord wrote:
The only instances of Constitutional amendments that I recall being successfully repealed or modified involved ending Prohibition, giving women the right to vote, and limiting the terms that a president can serve.
Taking away the right of the people to keep and bear arms - a right that has lasted about 240 years - is unlikely, since it would require ratification by two-third of the States, most of which have very strong gun lobbies and many gun-owning citizens.
There is a better chance that the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) would be ratified, thus giving us a Constitutional Amendment that would guaranty equal rights for all citizens, regardless of sex, ethnicity, religion, disability, et cetera. I haven't heard much lately about the ERA; what ever happened to it?
Taking away the right of the people to keep and bear arms - a right that has lasted about 240 years - is unlikely, since it would require ratification by two-third of the States, most of which have very strong gun lobbies and many gun-owning citizens.
There is a better chance that the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) would be ratified, thus giving us a Constitutional Amendment that would guaranty equal rights for all citizens, regardless of sex, ethnicity, religion, disability, et cetera. I haven't heard much lately about the ERA; what ever happened to it?
Only Prohibition. Women's suffrage and Presidential term limits didn't repeal an earlier amendment. The 12th Amendment repealed parts of Article 2 of the original Constitution. And 3/4ths not 2/3rds, of the states have to ratify a proposed Amendment in order for it to take effect, which makes repealing 2A even more unlikely. The ERA is dead---most proposed Amendments have a sunset clause by which they expire if not ratified by enough states within a specified period. And it expired on the ERA years ago.
17 Jan 2016, 8:53 pm
17 Jan 2016, 10:21 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment. Sounds more like right wing paranoid hysteria to me.
Oh?
There've been anti-gun liberals on WP that have said it should be repealed. Those that havent gone that far have proposed legislation what would gut what we now know as gun rights.
How many examples from over the past 8 years do you want me to dredge up post here?
I seriously doubt wishful thinking by some Aspies is going to accomplish that end. Nobody in government is going to end the 2nd amendment, no matter how many crazy people who have relations with their guns under the sheets might convince themselves that that's the case.
Short memory?
You said talking about getting rid of the 2nd, not actually doing it. And I don't see where concern for attacks on the 2nd amendment is so paranoid when it is the most attacked of our constitutional amendments.
It's not nearly as paranoid as, let's say, fear that Trump will be president.
People who live in glass houses ought not throw stones.
C'mon, bullsh*ting about something is one thing, but actually discussing something by political think tanks with the intent of changing it, as was actually stated by the OP, is quite another.
Once again, you said; "I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment."
Noting in there about politicians, just liberals or otherwise. And if it's okay to just BS around then I guess opnely promoting homophobia and racism are okey-dokey as long as it's just just bullshitting around, eh?
Yes, there are politicians in office, including your hero Barack, that would pass such draconian laws that would effectively repeal the 2nd amendment.
How much deeper are you going to dig your hole here?
17 Jan 2016, 10:23 pm
Kraichgauer
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18 Jan 2016, 12:10 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment. Sounds more like right wing paranoid hysteria to me.
Oh?
There've been anti-gun liberals on WP that have said it should be repealed. Those that havent gone that far have proposed legislation what would gut what we now know as gun rights.
How many examples from over the past 8 years do you want me to dredge up post here?
I seriously doubt wishful thinking by some Aspies is going to accomplish that end. Nobody in government is going to end the 2nd amendment, no matter how many crazy people who have relations with their guns under the sheets might convince themselves that that's the case.
Short memory?
You said talking about getting rid of the 2nd, not actually doing it. And I don't see where concern for attacks on the 2nd amendment is so paranoid when it is the most attacked of our constitutional amendments.
It's not nearly as paranoid as, let's say, fear that Trump will be president.
People who live in glass houses ought not throw stones.
C'mon, bullsh*ting about something is one thing, but actually discussing something by political think tanks with the intent of changing it, as was actually stated by the OP, is quite another.
Once again, you said; "I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment."
Noting in there about politicians, just liberals or otherwise. And if it's okay to just BS around then I guess opnely promoting homophobia and racism are okey-dokey as long as it's just just bullshitting around, eh?
Yes, there are politicians in office, including your hero Barack, that would pass such draconian laws that would effectively repeal the 2nd amendment.
How much deeper are you going to dig your hole here?
Nobody's going to take your precious guns from you. No one's going to revoke the 2nd amendment. Not Obama, not Aspies bullsh*tting on WP.
And no, bullsh*tting is not the same as establishing real policy. I never said you couldn't bad mouth people who disagree with you about guns, just like I have the same right to bad mouth those espousing racism and homophobia.
By the way, most gun owners - including rank-and-file NRA members - aren't stressed out over Obama's most recent move on gun control. I personally could care less either way, though I think someone getting an erection, or wet, over a firearm is more than a little creepy. But hey, maybe that can be the civil rights battle you people can lead - - marrying your guns!
Kraichgauer
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18 Jan 2016, 12:15 am
18 Jan 2016, 12:48 am
18 Jan 2016, 12:51 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment. Sounds more like right wing paranoid hysteria to me.
Oh?
There've been anti-gun liberals on WP that have said it should be repealed. Those that havent gone that far have proposed legislation what would gut what we now know as gun rights.
How many examples from over the past 8 years do you want me to dredge up post here?
I seriously doubt wishful thinking by some Aspies is going to accomplish that end. Nobody in government is going to end the 2nd amendment, no matter how many crazy people who have relations with their guns under the sheets might convince themselves that that's the case.
Short memory?
You said talking about getting rid of the 2nd, not actually doing it. And I don't see where concern for attacks on the 2nd amendment is so paranoid when it is the most attacked of our constitutional amendments.
It's not nearly as paranoid as, let's say, fear that Trump will be president.
People who live in glass houses ought not throw stones.
C'mon, bullsh*ting about something is one thing, but actually discussing something by political think tanks with the intent of changing it, as was actually stated by the OP, is quite another.
Once again, you said; "I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment."
Noting in there about politicians, just liberals or otherwise. And if it's okay to just BS around then I guess opnely promoting homophobia and racism are okey-dokey as long as it's just just bullshitting around, eh?
Yes, there are politicians in office, including your hero Barack, that would pass such draconian laws that would effectively repeal the 2nd amendment.
How much deeper are you going to dig your hole here?
Nobody's going to take your precious guns from you. No one's going to revoke the 2nd amendment. Not Obama, not Aspies bullsh*tting on WP.
And no, bullsh*tting is not the same as establishing real policy. I never said you couldn't bad mouth people who disagree with you about guns, just like I have the same right to bad mouth those espousing racism and homophobia.
By the way, most gun owners - including rank-and-file NRA members - aren't stressed out over Obama's most recent move on gun control. I personally could care less either way, though I think someone getting an erection, or wet, over a firearm is more than a little creepy. But hey, maybe that can be the civil rights battle you people can lead - - marrying your guns!
Obama is working on a plan right now to take my guns, so shut up with your lies. I and 52% of ameica and growing are not stupid and blind to the left's agenda.
There you go equating gun owners to someone with s fetish with guns. If you can't beat them slander them. Good old lefitst argument by the book.
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment. Sounds more like right wing paranoid hysteria to me.
Oh?
There've been anti-gun liberals on WP that have said it should be repealed. Those that havent gone that far have proposed legislation what would gut what we now know as gun rights.
How many examples from over the past 8 years do you want me to dredge up post here?
I seriously doubt wishful thinking by some Aspies is going to accomplish that end. Nobody in government is going to end the 2nd amendment, no matter how many crazy people who have relations with their guns under the sheets might convince themselves that that's the case.
Short memory?
You said talking about getting rid of the 2nd, not actually doing it. And I don't see where concern for attacks on the 2nd amendment is so paranoid when it is the most attacked of our constitutional amendments.
It's not nearly as paranoid as, let's say, fear that Trump will be president.
People who live in glass houses ought not throw stones.
C'mon, bullsh*ting about something is one thing, but actually discussing something by political think tanks with the intent of changing it, as was actually stated by the OP, is quite another.
There are political organizations on the left who's end goal is banning of all guns. Some would even want to go as far as locking up all gun owners for the murders they are just for owning a gun.
Quite a few politicians including Hilary have come out saying they would love to ban all guns.
You freak out over trump or a single republican saying something about rape. Like its the end of the world and all women are going be forced into slavely as house wife's, but then call gun owners who are constantly 24/7 under attack paranoid. 0.o
There's a war on women but no war on gun rights 0.o
Every day there's a news article or news story on news about gun control. Every week a few gun control bills are proposed. California keeps restricting guns more and more and more. They pass redundant laws that ban something they already banned. Though from a state that elects federal prisoners and dead people i dont know why that's surprising.
Also Hilary is suck a hypocrite. She says
"Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access it is no right at all."
But that only applies to rights the left likes . Freaking hypocrite.
Well, I'm not a big Hillary fan, as I'm rooting for Bernie.
He's super antigun too so pass on any of the Dems.
I've heard Sanders, coming from a largely rural state, has been relatively pro-gun rights, to the point that Hilary is using that against him.
Like a kkk member who only wants to enslave black people instead of killing the. Is relatively pro black life matters.
18 Jan 2016, 1:13 am
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18 Jan 2016, 1:46 am
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18 Jan 2016, 1:54 am
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment. Sounds more like right wing paranoid hysteria to me.
Oh?
There've been anti-gun liberals on WP that have said it should be repealed. Those that havent gone that far have proposed legislation what would gut what we now know as gun rights.
How many examples from over the past 8 years do you want me to dredge up post here?
I seriously doubt wishful thinking by some Aspies is going to accomplish that end. Nobody in government is going to end the 2nd amendment, no matter how many crazy people who have relations with their guns under the sheets might convince themselves that that's the case.
Short memory?
You said talking about getting rid of the 2nd, not actually doing it. And I don't see where concern for attacks on the 2nd amendment is so paranoid when it is the most attacked of our constitutional amendments.
It's not nearly as paranoid as, let's say, fear that Trump will be president.
People who live in glass houses ought not throw stones.
C'mon, bullsh*ting about something is one thing, but actually discussing something by political think tanks with the intent of changing it, as was actually stated by the OP, is quite another.
Once again, you said; "I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment."
Noting in there about politicians, just liberals or otherwise. And if it's okay to just BS around then I guess opnely promoting homophobia and racism are okey-dokey as long as it's just just bullshitting around, eh?
Yes, there are politicians in office, including your hero Barack, that would pass such draconian laws that would effectively repeal the 2nd amendment.
How much deeper are you going to dig your hole here?
Nobody's going to take your precious guns from you. No one's going to revoke the 2nd amendment. Not Obama, not Aspies bullsh*tting on WP.
And no, bullsh*tting is not the same as establishing real policy. I never said you couldn't bad mouth people who disagree with you about guns, just like I have the same right to bad mouth those espousing racism and homophobia.
By the way, most gun owners - including rank-and-file NRA members - aren't stressed out over Obama's most recent move on gun control. I personally could care less either way, though I think someone getting an erection, or wet, over a firearm is more than a little creepy. But hey, maybe that can be the civil rights battle you people can lead - - marrying your guns!
Obama is working on a plan right now to take my guns, so shut up with your lies. I and 52% of ameica and growing are not stupid and blind to the left's agenda.
There you go equating gun owners to someone with s fetish with guns. If you can't beat them slander them. Good old lefitst argument by the book.
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I've never heard of anyone - liberal or otherwise - talking about getting rid of the 2nd amendment. Sounds more like right wing paranoid hysteria to me.
Oh?
There've been anti-gun liberals on WP that have said it should be repealed. Those that havent gone that far have proposed legislation what would gut what we now know as gun rights.
How many examples from over the past 8 years do you want me to dredge up post here?
I seriously doubt wishful thinking by some Aspies is going to accomplish that end. Nobody in government is going to end the 2nd amendment, no matter how many crazy people who have relations with their guns under the sheets might convince themselves that that's the case.
Short memory?
You said talking about getting rid of the 2nd, not actually doing it. And I don't see where concern for attacks on the 2nd amendment is so paranoid when it is the most attacked of our constitutional amendments.
It's not nearly as paranoid as, let's say, fear that Trump will be president.
People who live in glass houses ought not throw stones.
C'mon, bullsh*ting about something is one thing, but actually discussing something by political think tanks with the intent of changing it, as was actually stated by the OP, is quite another.
There are political organizations on the left who's end goal is banning of all guns. Some would even want to go as far as locking up all gun owners for the murders they are just for owning a gun.
Quite a few politicians including Hilary have come out saying they would love to ban all guns.
You freak out over trump or a single republican saying something about rape. Like its the end of the world and all women are going be forced into slavely as house wife's, but then call gun owners who are constantly 24/7 under attack paranoid. 0.o
There's a war on women but no war on gun rights 0.o
Every day there's a news article or news story on news about gun control. Every week a few gun control bills are proposed. California keeps restricting guns more and more and more. They pass redundant laws that ban something they already banned. Though from a state that elects federal prisoners and dead people i dont know why that's surprising.
Also Hilary is suck a hypocrite. She says
"Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access it is no right at all."
But that only applies to rights the left likes . Freaking hypocrite.
Well, I'm not a big Hillary fan, as I'm rooting for Bernie.
He's super antigun too so pass on any of the Dems.
I've heard Sanders, coming from a largely rural state, has been relatively pro-gun rights, to the point that Hilary is using that against him.
Like a kkk member who only wants to enslave black people instead of killing the. Is relatively pro black life matters.
Guns- or rather your paranoid ideas of the government taking your guns - is so important to you that you'll vote for people who will deprive you of a social safety net? Do you realize that Raptor holds people in need in contempt? He talks about the social safety net as being a hammock. He thinks people in need are lazy leaches. Do you realize who you're siding with? I seriously could care less about gun rights - it's the rampant paranoia around it that pisses me off. And by the way, I have never called you names, or belittled you, so show a little courtesy.
18 Jan 2016, 2:04 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nobody's going to take your precious guns from you.
I could have told you that, at least as long as I'm drawing a breath...
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No one's going to revoke the 2nd amendment. Not Obama, not Aspies bullsh*tting on WP.
I could have told you that, too, but that's not the point.
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And no, bullsh*tting is not the same as establishing real policy. I never said you couldn't bad mouth people who disagree with you about guns, just like I have the same right to bad mouth those espousing racism and homophobia.
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By the way, most gun owners - including rank-and-file NRA members - aren't stressed out over Obama's most recent move on gun control.
How would you know about the rank and file NRA members? That aside, we know he's just in the death throws of his dismal presidency. Not much to worry about there.
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I personally could care less either way, though I think someone getting an erection, or wet, over a firearm is more than a little creepy. But hey, maybe that can be the civil rights battle you people can lead - - marrying your guns!
Yeah, it’s almost as creepy as someone beating off while they watch their wife f#ck a pillow...
You know, I was about o write something about your matrimonial standing - or rather, lack thereof - or even how you're probably a stranger to any sort of romantic relationship - but I figured I'd take the high road.
Oooh touchy.
The casual observer might be lead to think I was talking about you by the testy tone of that reply. Have I unintentionally hit on something?
And how would you know what my matrimonial status is or isn't?
Unlike some, I bring very few details about myself to any message board or even to social media.
Hell, you don't even know where I live or what I do for a living.
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And if you bothered to watch CNN, you'd know that was where I had gotten my info on the opinion of the rank-and-file NRA membership.
I rarely watch CNN or even Fox. I get my news from a local source which is comprehensive enough.
I doubt any of them are up to date on the NRA's rank and file membership.
18 Jan 2016, 2:24 am
Kraichgauer
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18 Jan 2016, 2:52 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Guns- or rather your paranoid ideas of the government taking your guns - is so important to you that you'll vote for people who will deprive you of a social safety net? Do you realize that Raptor holds people in need in contempt? He talks about the social safety net as being a hammock. He thinks people in need are lazy leaches.
Raptor has said many times that he does support a social safety net but not a hammock for derelicts. This is nothing new and neither is your grasping at straws.
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Do you realize who you're siding with?
I think he does from past threads but by all means tell him some more wonderful things about Raptor. In your past few posts you are REALLY starting to amuse the Rap.
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I seriously could care less about gun rights - it's the rampant paranoia around it that pisses me off.
Do you really need a list of all the laws passed, some of them Jim Crow laws, from over the past 100+ years that lead us nutty gun owners to such suspicion and "paranoia?
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And by the way, I have never called you names, or belittled you, so show a little courtesy.
You're whole dismissive and insulting demeanor toward gun owners and thier "sexual fantasies" about thier guns (want me to go back and find more examples?) could be considered belittling if we really want to keep score.
I was not addressing you, but Sly. But if you must have a response, I was hardly ridiculing all gun owners, or even most, just the zealots whose lives revolve around pieces of metal that go bang. So if you take umbrage to my statements, then apparently I was the one who hit a nerve with you.
And as far as your matrimonial status is concerned - you have never made mention of a Mrs. Raptor, and as most Aspies, like it or not, lack the social skills to meet a significant other, I made an educated guess. And I'd be in the same boat, too, if I didn't meet the one woman in the world who actually enjoys my weirdness. She even wears a "I
nerds" pin. 
I lucked out for some incredible reason. I even have an autistic ten year old girlI am not going to mince words with Sly's paranoid fears, but can he honestly get any respect from someone like you who holds him in contempt just for needing that social safety net? Because I certainly don't hold that against him, or pity him for it. I leave such negative sentiments for the needy to you right wingers.
18 Jan 2016, 2:57 am
