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05 Feb 2016, 4:28 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
..It seems you are hyper-focused on guns and whether intentionally or not are ignoring every single other economic, political and social issue.
I agree, I don't know sly's religious perspectives, but I sense that this an issue of utmost importance for him.
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05 Feb 2016, 4:33 am
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
..It seems you are hyper-focused on guns and whether intentionally or not are ignoring every single other economic, political and social issue.
I agree, I don't know sly's religious perspectives, but I sense that this an issue of utmost importance for him.
And I still have yet to hear any talk of banning guns across the board or sending the authorities around to collect peoples guns from any politicians on the left. So not sure where it is coming from that the whole left wants to ban guns across the board or how that is akin to the left being anti freedom and rights over all.
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05 Feb 2016, 4:45 am
Least extreme doesn't equal pro gun,
Would you vote for s civil rights leader or so one from your party who's the least racist?
Most people who defended themselves successfully had no training. Gun is a equalizer, I'm not strong or violent, so I not at all an even match against a strong violent guy armed with a knife or bat. Guns work at close or long ranges. I can shoot s gun while s guy is on top of me, good luck swinging s hammer.
I'd sooner trust the right or take s chance with trump the. Vote for what is a 100% gun control supporter. Do you really think the right would completely remove social security if so you're crazy, do you have any ideal of how many old people and vets are on social Security? They'd be shooting their own voters. The right is the party of old people and vets.
The right cares more about MY FREDDOMS. The left drives so many people to the right over gun control, most people don't support gun control or don't even care, why make it such s dividing factor, why push people away, if the left went mute about gun control they'd lose no votes and gain a whole bunch. Why support an issue most Americans oppose. Because it's part of the left's list of what makes them left dated back to 60 years ago, why change and evolve that'd be smart and modern nope, can't have that.
Guns are an important issue to me. You can focus on issues important to u so can I. The left is what screwed up our economy. Just keep spending and going into debt, let the grand kids deal with the collapse of our nation as long as I get my millions now. The various government agencies wast millions, the left gives billions to other nations , some who would love nothing more to kill us all. Why not spend the money on increasing ssa benefits or helping the homeless in our nation. Obama spends millions on trips millions to go back and get his dog. How about replacing perfectly good cars, planes, grass etc, because he didn't Want to use stuff bush used. He should have cut all factions, cut all none required trips, any non required expenses. As a president elected during s economic crisis he should have lead by example and cut expenses everywhere and lived as s humble president. Instead he spends spends spends. Must be fun.
I'm more in favor of the republican ideas or fix the economy. Cut military funding, cut agencies finding, make them accountable for every cent they spend, no more blank checks and use it however they want, no more funny videos made to be fun. No more wasting money so you get the same amount next year. No more yearly rifle programs that never lead to adopting a new rifle. We are in debt, it's time we act like it. We don't have some rich parent ready to bail us out, we're the parent who bailed nations out. There's no one to bail us op out when we fail. The left had its chance it failed, time for change.
05 Feb 2016, 4:46 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
..It seems you are hyper-focused on guns and whether intentionally or not are ignoring every single other economic, political and social issue.
I agree, I don't know sly's religious perspectives, but I sense that this an issue of utmost importance for him.
And I still have yet to hear any talk of banning guns across the board or sending the authorities around to collect peoples guns from any politicians on the left. So not sure where it is coming from that the whole left wants to ban guns across the board or how that is akin to the left being anti freedom and rights over all.
As much I wish to be a friend of Sly, I cannot agree with him that people are going to take his stuff. That notion is just a paper tiger, from my point of view.
I mean it is a little like someone take my synths like my Juno-60 and Roland JX-8P, no one is interested in taking them, in the same manner that no one is interested in taking Sly's stuff.
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05 Feb 2016, 4:52 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
..It seems you are hyper-focused on guns and whether intentionally or not are ignoring every single other economic, political and social issue.
I agree, I don't know sly's religious perspectives, but I sense that this an issue of utmost importance for him.
And I still have yet to hear any talk of banning guns across the board or sending the authorities around to collect peoples guns from any politicians on the left. So not sure where it is coming from that the whole left wants to ban guns across the board or how that is akin to the left being anti freedom and rights over all.
You understand uk and Australia banned guns yes?
So when your side comes out and say I want us to do what the uk and Australia did. That's them saying we want to ban all guns. Don't be so daft
"... Ban all guns, turn them in Mrs and mr america"
2nd amendment is one of the bill of rights, i.e. Freedoms, if you can't see how taking away one freedom is an attack on freedom then there no hope for you and your just another anti.
Do you watch the debates, speeches etc. or do you just blinding vote on what the news tells you? If you watched the debate I don't know how you missed the heated back and forth s out gun control in just about every debate.
It's also on like 20 left les in news sites the next day.
Google "gun control"
05 Feb 2016, 4:58 am
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
..It seems you are hyper-focused on guns and whether intentionally or not are ignoring every single other economic, political and social issue.
I agree, I don't know sly's religious perspectives, but I sense that this an issue of utmost importance for him.
And I still have yet to hear any talk of banning guns across the board or sending the authorities around to collect peoples guns from any politicians on the left. So not sure where it is coming from that the whole left wants to ban guns across the board or how that is akin to the left being anti freedom and rights over all.
As much I wish to be a friend of Sly, I cannot agree with him that people are going to take his stuff. That notion is just a paper tiger, from my point of view.
I mean it is a little like someone take my synths like my Juno-60 and Roland JX-8P, no one is interested in taking them, in the same manner that no one is interested in taking Sly's stuff.
"...SSA, in consultation with the Department of Justice, is expected to require will cover appropriate records of the approximately 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue, receive disability benefits, and are unable to manage those benefits because of their mental impairmen..."
Many vets have already had their guns taken away. Many Californians have already had their guns taken away, many New Yorkers have already had their guns taken away, etc. ssa recievers are just the recent in a long list to have their guns taken. But you won't believe it til my bloody dead and shot up body is on the news, quite sad.
Wake up pay attention, look around.
Bet people in uk and ausie were told the same . "No ones coming for your guns" until they came for their guns.
Many Jews never thought they'd kill people, until they did. People will blinding believe anything rather then accepts horrible things happen, until it happens to them.
05 Feb 2016, 5:04 am
sly279 wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
..It seems you are hyper-focused on guns and whether intentionally or not are ignoring every single other economic, political and social issue.
I agree, I don't know sly's religious perspectives, but I sense that this an issue of utmost importance for him.
And I still have yet to hear any talk of banning guns across the board or sending the authorities around to collect peoples guns from any politicians on the left. So not sure where it is coming from that the whole left wants to ban guns across the board or how that is akin to the left being anti freedom and rights over all.
As much I wish to be a friend of Sly, I cannot agree with him that people are going to take his stuff. That notion is just a paper tiger, from my point of view.
I mean it is a little like someone take my synths like my Juno-60 and Roland JX-8P, no one is interested in taking them, in the same manner that no one is interested in taking Sly's stuff.
"...SSA, in consultation with the Department of Justice, is expected to require will cover appropriate records of the approximately 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue, receive disability benefits, and are unable to manage those benefits because of their mental impairmen..."
Many vets have already had their guns taken away. Many Californians have already had their guns taken away, many New Yorkers have already had their guns taken away, etc. ssa recievers are just the recent in a long list to have their guns taken. But you won't believe it til my bloody dead and shot up body is on the news, quite sad.
Wake up pay attention, look around.
Bet people in uk and ausie were told the same . "No ones coming for your guns" until they came for their guns.
Many Jews never thought they'd kill people, until they did. People will blinding believe anything rather then accepts horrible things happen, until it happens to them.
Sly, I am Jewish, and I am somewhat offended by the last sentence. FOUR of my father's family members were killed during WW2, and you are trying to juxtapose this issue (which is , I have to say, trivial in comparison) with something that my father has witnessed first hand?
You know Sly that I never lie to you and I do not hide anything from you, but I am somewhat upset by this hyperbole.
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05 Feb 2016, 5:06 am
sly279 wrote:
Least extreme doesn't equal pro gun,
Would you vote for s civil rights leader or so one from your party who's the least racist?
Most people who defended themselves successfully had no training. Gun is a equalizer, I'm not strong or violent, so I not at all an even match against a strong violent guy armed with a knife or bat. Guns work at close or long ranges. I can shoot s gun while s guy is on top of me, good luck swinging s hammer.
I'd sooner trust the right or take s chance with trump the. Vote for what is a 100% gun control supporter. Do you really think the right would completely remove social security if so you're crazy, do you have any ideal of how many old people and vets are on social Security? They'd be shooting their own voters. The right is the party of old people and vets.
The right cares more about MY FREDDOMS. The left drives so many people to the right over gun control, most people don't support gun control or don't even care, why make it such s dividing factor, why push people away, if the left went mute about gun control they'd lose no votes and gain a whole bunch. Why support an issue most Americans oppose. Because it's part of the left's list of what makes them left dated back to 60 years ago, why change and evolve that'd be smart and modern nope, can't have that.
Guns are an important issue to me. You can focus on issues important to u so can I. The left is what screwed up our economy. Just keep spending and going into debt, let the grand kids deal with the collapse of our nation as long as I get my millions now. The various government agencies wast millions, the left gives billions to other nations , some who would love nothing more to kill us all. Why not spend the money on increasing ssa benefits or helping the homeless in our nation. Obama spends millions on trips millions to go back and get his dog. How about replacing perfectly good cars, planes, grass etc, because he didn't Want to use stuff bush used. He should have cut all factions, cut all none required trips, any non required expenses. As a president elected during s economic crisis he should have lead by example and cut expenses everywhere and lived as s humble president. Instead he spends spends spends. Must be fun.
I'm more in favor of the republican ideas or fix the economy. Cut military funding, cut agencies finding, make them accountable for every cent they spend, no more blank checks and use it however they want, no more funny videos made to be fun. No more wasting money so you get the same amount next year. No more yearly rifle programs that never lead to adopting a new rifle. We are in debt, it's time we act like it. We don't have some rich parent ready to bail us out, we're the parent who bailed nations out. There's no one to bail us op out when we fail. The left had its chance it failed, time for change.
Would you vote for s civil rights leader or so one from your party who's the least racist?
Most people who defended themselves successfully had no training. Gun is a equalizer, I'm not strong or violent, so I not at all an even match against a strong violent guy armed with a knife or bat. Guns work at close or long ranges. I can shoot s gun while s guy is on top of me, good luck swinging s hammer.
I'd sooner trust the right or take s chance with trump the. Vote for what is a 100% gun control supporter. Do you really think the right would completely remove social security if so you're crazy, do you have any ideal of how many old people and vets are on social Security? They'd be shooting their own voters. The right is the party of old people and vets.
The right cares more about MY FREDDOMS. The left drives so many people to the right over gun control, most people don't support gun control or don't even care, why make it such s dividing factor, why push people away, if the left went mute about gun control they'd lose no votes and gain a whole bunch. Why support an issue most Americans oppose. Because it's part of the left's list of what makes them left dated back to 60 years ago, why change and evolve that'd be smart and modern nope, can't have that.
Guns are an important issue to me. You can focus on issues important to u so can I. The left is what screwed up our economy. Just keep spending and going into debt, let the grand kids deal with the collapse of our nation as long as I get my millions now. The various government agencies wast millions, the left gives billions to other nations , some who would love nothing more to kill us all. Why not spend the money on increasing ssa benefits or helping the homeless in our nation. Obama spends millions on trips millions to go back and get his dog. How about replacing perfectly good cars, planes, grass etc, because he didn't Want to use stuff bush used. He should have cut all factions, cut all none required trips, any non required expenses. As a president elected during s economic crisis he should have lead by example and cut expenses everywhere and lived as s humble president. Instead he spends spends spends. Must be fun.
I'm more in favor of the republican ideas or fix the economy. Cut military funding, cut agencies finding, make them accountable for every cent they spend, no more blank checks and use it however they want, no more funny videos made to be fun. No more wasting money so you get the same amount next year. No more yearly rifle programs that never lead to adopting a new rifle. We are in debt, it's time we act like it. We don't have some rich parent ready to bail us out, we're the parent who bailed nations out. There's no one to bail us op out when we fail. The left had its chance it failed, time for change.
I don't care if least extreme doesn't equal 'pro-gun', it still means its not likely he is going to push to have guns banned across the board regardless of what the people want and vote for. Also racism and gun laws aren't really comparable issues so not going to go there with it.
Also if you really think you could shoot someone without hesitating great, one doesn't need to be strong to hit someone with a hammer...and aiming a gun whilst being attacked is likely a difficult feat, possibly harder than just swinging a hammer. But whatever I don't think they should take your guns away....and I don't think that is what the entire left is even pushing for. I just think most people likely over-estimate their gun abilities especially people who haven't had experience using one in a self defense and or combat situation.
Also I didn't say they'd totally get rid of social security, and old people on that paid into it....I was talking about SSI Disability which is a government funded program for poor and disabled who haven't worked long term enough to pay into social security to retire. They would also likely really, really tighten who qualifies for disability...might decide say 1/3 or 1/2 the people on disability are work able to try and cut costs. No they wouldn't entirely do away with it at least not at first....but it would be less likely someone like you or me would continue receiving it.
Also the right seems to be perfectly fine bailing out massive corporations, supporting corporate welfare and allowing corporate lobbyists to heavily influence the government with their money when the government is meant to be for the people by the people. what makes you so convinced they wont fail? surely you remember Bush?
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05 Feb 2016, 5:12 am
sly279 wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
..It seems you are hyper-focused on guns and whether intentionally or not are ignoring every single other economic, political and social issue.
I agree, I don't know sly's religious perspectives, but I sense that this an issue of utmost importance for him.
And I still have yet to hear any talk of banning guns across the board or sending the authorities around to collect peoples guns from any politicians on the left. So not sure where it is coming from that the whole left wants to ban guns across the board or how that is akin to the left being anti freedom and rights over all.
As much I wish to be a friend of Sly, I cannot agree with him that people are going to take his stuff. That notion is just a paper tiger, from my point of view.
I mean it is a little like someone take my synths like my Juno-60 and Roland JX-8P, no one is interested in taking them, in the same manner that no one is interested in taking Sly's stuff.
"...SSA, in consultation with the Department of Justice, is expected to require will cover appropriate records of the approximately 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue, receive disability benefits, and are unable to manage those benefits because of their mental impairmen..."
Many vets have already had their guns taken away. Many Californians have already had their guns taken away, many New Yorkers have already had their guns taken away, etc. ssa recievers are just the recent in a long list to have their guns taken. But you won't believe it til my bloody dead and shot up body is on the news, quite sad.
Wake up pay attention, look around.
Bet people in uk and ausie were told the same . "No ones coming for your guns" until they came for their guns.
Many Jews never thought they'd kill people, until they did. People will blinding believe anything rather then accepts horrible things happen, until it happens to them.
Are you unable to manage your funds? That means people who are currently mentally unstable to the point they need other people to care for them and manage all their responsibilities, funds and such wouldn't be able to posses guns. Also though does it say if it would be for good, or would they potentially be able to get guns back should their condition improve?
Also it seems the U.K and Australia aren't exactly falling apart, certainly not anymore than this country in spite of their outlawing guns....also though they didn't have a constitution that guaranteed the right to guns, in this country they'd have to go through the cumbersome process of amending the constitution to change it.
And why would your bloody dead body be on t.v, you'd rather die than not have a gun if really came down to it?
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05 Feb 2016, 5:13 am
Ilearned a lot about the holocaust and ww2.
No one wanted to believe that humans were capable of such things, just as the left doesn't want to be,dive their leaders want nothing more then a complete gun ban.
Hitler banned guns . Every murderous dictatorship started by banning guns. A government should fear it's people, not the other way. Don't like guns fine. But don't force others to not have them because I don't want them. Only reason to ban guns is to have people control. If people can't defend themselves then one can do as they wish.
You may not see banning guns as serious, but as one of the millions of people who will die in the process I do. A lot of gun owners will die before they give up their guns. Gun control is s very real and serious threat to this nation. There will be a bloody uprising lead by highly trained special forces and military vets(who the government trained to take on similar military might) before guns are banned. Gun owners will only be pushed so far before they've had enough.
05 Feb 2016, 5:19 am
sly279 wrote:
Ilearned a lot about the holocaust and ww2.
No one wanted to believe that humans were capable of such things, just as the left doesn't want to be,dive their leaders want nothing more then a complete gun ban.
Hitler banned guns . Every murderous dictatorship started by banning guns. A government should fear it's people, not the other way. Don't like guns fine. But don't force others to not have them because I don't want them. Only reason to ban guns is to have people control. If people can't defend themselves then one can do as they wish.
You may not see banning guns as serious, but as one of the millions of people who will die in the process I do. A lot of gun owners will die before they give up their guns. Gun control is s very real and serious threat to this nation. There will be a bloody uprising lead by highly trained special forces and military vets(who the government trained to take on similar military might) before guns are banned. Gun owners will only be pushed so far before they've had enough
No one wanted to believe that humans were capable of such things, just as the left doesn't want to be,dive their leaders want nothing more then a complete gun ban.
Hitler banned guns . Every murderous dictatorship started by banning guns. A government should fear it's people, not the other way. Don't like guns fine. But don't force others to not have them because I don't want them. Only reason to ban guns is to have people control. If people can't defend themselves then one can do as they wish.
You may not see banning guns as serious, but as one of the millions of people who will die in the process I do. A lot of gun owners will die before they give up their guns. Gun control is s very real and serious threat to this nation. There will be a bloody uprising lead by highly trained special forces and military vets(who the government trained to take on similar military might) before guns are banned. Gun owners will only be pushed so far before they've had enough
I am sorry Sly, I know you have been lied and had things hidden from you in the past. And I will not do any of that, but I will be blunt with you, especially on this matter. You are comparing such issues, no doubt important to you and I understand that, with my family who were killed, shot and one was even stabbed by a bayonet in the Second World War to things like gun control? I am not going to hide the fact that I am deeply upset and moved by this contrast to my family's suffering.
You may have learned about the Second World War, but you have no idea when experiencing it from a first person point of view.
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05 Feb 2016, 5:23 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Deltaville wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
..It seems you are hyper-focused on guns and whether intentionally or not are ignoring every single other economic, political and social issue.
I agree, I don't know sly's religious perspectives, but I sense that this an issue of utmost importance for him.
And I still have yet to hear any talk of banning guns across the board or sending the authorities around to collect peoples guns from any politicians on the left. So not sure where it is coming from that the whole left wants to ban guns across the board or how that is akin to the left being anti freedom and rights over all.
As much I wish to be a friend of Sly, I cannot agree with him that people are going to take his stuff. That notion is just a paper tiger, from my point of view.
I mean it is a little like someone take my synths like my Juno-60 and Roland JX-8P, no one is interested in taking them, in the same manner that no one is interested in taking Sly's stuff.
"...SSA, in consultation with the Department of Justice, is expected to require will cover appropriate records of the approximately 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue, receive disability benefits, and are unable to manage those benefits because of their mental impairmen..."
Many vets have already had their guns taken away. Many Californians have already had their guns taken away, many New Yorkers have already had their guns taken away, etc. ssa recievers are just the recent in a long list to have their guns taken. But you won't believe it til my bloody dead and shot up body is on the news, quite sad.
Wake up pay attention, look around.
Bet people in uk and ausie were told the same . "No ones coming for your guns" until they came for their guns.
Many Jews never thought they'd kill people, until they did. People will blinding believe anything rather then accepts horrible things happen, until it happens to them.
Are you unable to manage your funds? That means people who are currently mentally unstable to the point they need other people to care for them and manage all their responsibilities, funds and such wouldn't be able to posses guns. Also though does it say if it would be for good, or would they potentially be able to get guns back should their condition improve?
Also it seems the U.K and Australia aren't exactly falling apart, certainly not anymore than this country in spite of their outlawing guns....also though they didn't have a constitution that guaranteed the right to guns, in this country they'd have to go through the cumbersome process of amending the constitution to change it.
And why would your bloody dead body be on t.v, you'd rather die than not have a gun if really came down to it?
"SSA, in consultation with the Department of Justice, is expected to require will cover appropriate records of the approximately 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue, receive disability benefits, and are unable to manage those benefits because of their mental impairment, or who have been found by a state or federal court to be legally incompetent."
There are 3 reasons listed ther will add s person to the no buy list.
1.who have a documented mental health issue
Or
2. receive disability benefits, and are unable to manage those benefits because of their mental impairment
Or
3.who have been found by a state or federal court to be legally incompetent.
I meet the 1st reason.
Or they just slowly over time ban gun by gun by gun til all that is left is a single shot musket. Which is what they have been and are currently doing. Look at California and New York. Did they stop? Now they keep making more laws , banning more guns, making it way more harder. They never have enough til they ban all guns. Give them a penny and they'll take the dollar. We're done giving them anything. We gave them too much and they just want more. We gave them full auto guns, now they want to ban simi auto guns, next it'll be revolvers, Illinois already tried to ban bolt actions. Enough is enough. We are not stupid.
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05 Feb 2016, 5:23 am
sly279 wrote:
Ilearned a lot about the holocaust and ww2.
No one wanted to believe that humans were capable of such things, just as the left doesn't want to be,dive their leaders want nothing more then a complete gun ban.
Hitler banned guns . Every murderous dictatorship started by banning guns. A government should fear it's people, not the other way. Don't like guns fine. But don't force others to not have them because I don't want them. Only reason to ban guns is to have people control. If people can't defend themselves then one can do as they wish.
You may not see banning guns as serious, but as one of the millions of people who will die in the process I do. A lot of gun owners will die before they give up their guns. Gun control is s very real and serious threat to this nation. There will be a bloody uprising lead by highly trained special forces and military vets(who the government trained to take on similar military might) before guns are banned. Gun owners will only be pushed so far before they've had enough.
No one wanted to believe that humans were capable of such things, just as the left doesn't want to be,dive their leaders want nothing more then a complete gun ban.
Hitler banned guns . Every murderous dictatorship started by banning guns. A government should fear it's people, not the other way. Don't like guns fine. But don't force others to not have them because I don't want them. Only reason to ban guns is to have people control. If people can't defend themselves then one can do as they wish.
You may not see banning guns as serious, but as one of the millions of people who will die in the process I do. A lot of gun owners will die before they give up their guns. Gun control is s very real and serious threat to this nation. There will be a bloody uprising lead by highly trained special forces and military vets(who the government trained to take on similar military might) before guns are banned. Gun owners will only be pushed so far before they've had enough.
Ok a gun ban is quite a different thing than rounding up certain segments of the population to exterminate, not really sure how that is comparable. I just looked up that the nazis banned guns, and apparently they actually relaxed some gun rules allowing for Nazi party members to carry guns...of course they would have disarmed anyone they were targeting for oppression.
Also again, who on earth is banning guns across the board? Last I checked there are limits on them...but they aren't banned. I disagree with any legislation that would mean anyone with any mental diagnoses cannot have a gun, but what you posted seems to imply its specifically diagnosed people that are actually deemed mentally unstable like maybe a danger to them-self, or suffering a lot of psychosis which could be dangerous with a gun.
And where is this millions of people will die in the process coming from? especially when thus far there is no political action or legislation to actually ban guns. Also even with the right to guns, pretty sure the government/military has bigger guns and weaponry to take us out if they want guns or no guns...they could easily obliterate a city or band of militants if they did hypothetically try to ban guns across the board and people started an uprising.
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05 Feb 2016, 5:27 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Least extreme doesn't equal pro gun,
Would you vote for s civil rights leader or so one from your party who's the least racist?
Most people who defended themselves successfully had no training. Gun is a equalizer, I'm not strong or violent, so I not at all an even match against a strong violent guy armed with a knife or bat. Guns work at close or long ranges. I can shoot s gun while s guy is on top of me, good luck swinging s hammer.
I'd sooner trust the right or take s chance with trump the. Vote for what is a 100% gun control supporter. Do you really think the right would completely remove social security if so you're crazy, do you have any ideal of how many old people and vets are on social Security? They'd be shooting their own voters. The right is the party of old people and vets.
The right cares more about MY FREDDOMS. The left drives so many people to the right over gun control, most people don't support gun control or don't even care, why make it such s dividing factor, why push people away, if the left went mute about gun control they'd lose no votes and gain a whole bunch. Why support an issue most Americans oppose. Because it's part of the left's list of what makes them left dated back to 60 years ago, why change and evolve that'd be smart and modern nope, can't have that.
Guns are an important issue to me. You can focus on issues important to u so can I. The left is what screwed up our economy. Just keep spending and going into debt, let the grand kids deal with the collapse of our nation as long as I get my millions now. The various government agencies wast millions, the left gives billions to other nations , some who would love nothing more to kill us all. Why not spend the money on increasing ssa benefits or helping the homeless in our nation. Obama spends millions on trips millions to go back and get his dog. How about replacing perfectly good cars, planes, grass etc, because he didn't Want to use stuff bush used. He should have cut all factions, cut all none required trips, any non required expenses. As a president elected during s economic crisis he should have lead by example and cut expenses everywhere and lived as s humble president. Instead he spends spends spends. Must be fun.
I'm more in favor of the republican ideas or fix the economy. Cut military funding, cut agencies finding, make them accountable for every cent they spend, no more blank checks and use it however they want, no more funny videos made to be fun. No more wasting money so you get the same amount next year. No more yearly rifle programs that never lead to adopting a new rifle. We are in debt, it's time we act like it. We don't have some rich parent ready to bail us out, we're the parent who bailed nations out. There's no one to bail us op out when we fail. The left had its chance it failed, time for change.
Would you vote for s civil rights leader or so one from your party who's the least racist?
Most people who defended themselves successfully had no training. Gun is a equalizer, I'm not strong or violent, so I not at all an even match against a strong violent guy armed with a knife or bat. Guns work at close or long ranges. I can shoot s gun while s guy is on top of me, good luck swinging s hammer.
I'd sooner trust the right or take s chance with trump the. Vote for what is a 100% gun control supporter. Do you really think the right would completely remove social security if so you're crazy, do you have any ideal of how many old people and vets are on social Security? They'd be shooting their own voters. The right is the party of old people and vets.
The right cares more about MY FREDDOMS. The left drives so many people to the right over gun control, most people don't support gun control or don't even care, why make it such s dividing factor, why push people away, if the left went mute about gun control they'd lose no votes and gain a whole bunch. Why support an issue most Americans oppose. Because it's part of the left's list of what makes them left dated back to 60 years ago, why change and evolve that'd be smart and modern nope, can't have that.
Guns are an important issue to me. You can focus on issues important to u so can I. The left is what screwed up our economy. Just keep spending and going into debt, let the grand kids deal with the collapse of our nation as long as I get my millions now. The various government agencies wast millions, the left gives billions to other nations , some who would love nothing more to kill us all. Why not spend the money on increasing ssa benefits or helping the homeless in our nation. Obama spends millions on trips millions to go back and get his dog. How about replacing perfectly good cars, planes, grass etc, because he didn't Want to use stuff bush used. He should have cut all factions, cut all none required trips, any non required expenses. As a president elected during s economic crisis he should have lead by example and cut expenses everywhere and lived as s humble president. Instead he spends spends spends. Must be fun.
I'm more in favor of the republican ideas or fix the economy. Cut military funding, cut agencies finding, make them accountable for every cent they spend, no more blank checks and use it however they want, no more funny videos made to be fun. No more wasting money so you get the same amount next year. No more yearly rifle programs that never lead to adopting a new rifle. We are in debt, it's time we act like it. We don't have some rich parent ready to bail us out, we're the parent who bailed nations out. There's no one to bail us op out when we fail. The left had its chance it failed, time for change.
I don't care if least extreme doesn't equal 'pro-gun', it still means its not likely he is going to push to have guns banned across the board regardless of what the people want and vote for. Also racism and gun laws aren't really comparable issues so not going to go there with it.
Also if you really think you could shoot someone without hesitating great, one doesn't need to be strong to hit someone with a hammer...and aiming a gun whilst being attacked is likely a difficult feat, possibly harder than just swinging a hammer. But whatever I don't think they should take your guns away....and I don't think that is what the entire left is even pushing for. I just think most people likely over-estimate their gun abilities especially people who haven't had experience using one in a self defense and or combat situation.
Also I didn't say they'd totally get rid of social security, and old people on that paid into it....I was talking about SSI Disability which is a government funded program for poor and disabled who haven't worked long term enough to pay into social security to retire. They would also likely really, really tighten who qualifies for disability...might decide say 1/3 or 1/2 the people on disability are work able to try and cut costs. No they wouldn't entirely do away with it at least not at first....but it would be less likely someone like you or me would continue receiving it.
Also the right seems to be perfectly fine bailing out massive corporations, supporting corporate welfare and allowing corporate lobbyists to heavily influence the government with their money when the government is meant to be for the people by the people. what makes you so convinced they wont fail? surely you remember Bush?
You don't get it. I'm against banking any type of gun any God dsm single gun. I'm against banning simi auto guns, bolt action guns, .50 cal guns. Any gun. Banning any gun is anti gun, banning any gun is a step towards banning all guns. So no I will never support Bernie never. He wants to ban the most common and order types of guns, he wants to band standard magazines for guns, he is anti gun and I'll never support an anti gunner if if if Bloomberg showed up at my door and offered me a billion dollars.
05 Feb 2016, 5:35 am
Sweetleaf wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Ilearned a lot about the holocaust and ww2.
No one wanted to believe that humans were capable of such things, just as the left doesn't want to be,dive their leaders want nothing more then a complete gun ban.
Hitler banned guns . Every murderous dictatorship started by banning guns. A government should fear it's people, not the other way. Don't like guns fine. But don't force others to not have them because I don't want them. Only reason to ban guns is to have people control. If people can't defend themselves then one can do as they wish.
You may not see banning guns as serious, but as one of the millions of people who will die in the process I do. A lot of gun owners will die before they give up their guns. Gun control is s very real and serious threat to this nation. There will be a bloody uprising lead by highly trained special forces and military vets(who the government trained to take on similar military might) before guns are banned. Gun owners will only be pushed so far before they've had enough.
No one wanted to believe that humans were capable of such things, just as the left doesn't want to be,dive their leaders want nothing more then a complete gun ban.
Hitler banned guns . Every murderous dictatorship started by banning guns. A government should fear it's people, not the other way. Don't like guns fine. But don't force others to not have them because I don't want them. Only reason to ban guns is to have people control. If people can't defend themselves then one can do as they wish.
You may not see banning guns as serious, but as one of the millions of people who will die in the process I do. A lot of gun owners will die before they give up their guns. Gun control is s very real and serious threat to this nation. There will be a bloody uprising lead by highly trained special forces and military vets(who the government trained to take on similar military might) before guns are banned. Gun owners will only be pushed so far before they've had enough.
Ok a gun ban is quite a different thing than rounding up certain segments of the population to exterminate, not really sure how that is comparable. I just looked up that the nazis banned guns, and apparently they actually relaxed some gun rules allowing for Nazi party members to carry guns...of course they would have disarmed anyone they were targeting for oppression.
Also again, who on earth is banning guns across the board? Last I checked there are limits on them...but they aren't banned. I disagree with any legislation that would mean anyone with any mental diagnoses cannot have a gun, but what you posted seems to imply its specifically diagnosed people that are actually deemed mentally unstable like maybe a danger to them-self, or suffering a lot of psychosis which could be dangerous with a gun.
And where is this millions of people will die in the process coming from? especially when thus far there is no political action or legislation to actually ban guns. Also even with the right to guns, pretty sure the government/military has bigger guns and weaponry to take us out if they want guns or no guns...they could easily obliterate a city or band of militants if they did hypothetically try to ban guns across the board and people started an uprising.
Very least they'll lock us up for refusing to give up our guns,
Banning guns is horrible removing millions of people's rights is horrible.
People won't believe horrible things are happening rather choosing to live in make beleive happy land.
You refuse to believe people get their guns taken away and the groups you support end goal is taking all guns even though many of them have said it is in the past.To me it is the same. Both are examples of people Refusing to beleive what's happening because they choose not to accept its happening.
Just like people refuse to accept Isis is apslaughter people in the Middle East, or any number of horrible things happening around the world.
You won't change your mind, you've sided with the antis, which makes you an anti, which makes you no friend of mine. I'm a gun owner I only want friends who'll support and protect my way of life regardless of if its their way of life. Just as I'd do the same for them.
