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I answered your question by proving that the US doesn't condemn or not support people because of the evils they commit. And I told you that the US supports radical murdering Islamists in Syria. Come up with a serious question, and i'll answer it. You realise that true facts that make your question/point, null and void are not "propaganda"?

Where have I justified suicide bombings? I condemn all killings of innocent civilians, where as you support it when the US and Israel do it.

Weird assertions, since the US has been at war pretty much since it founded itself upon genocide. Then also with the US blocking democracy in the Middle East, causing conflicts and supporting tyrants and radical groups.

"If it were the United States and a neighbor suddenly began to attack with bomb vests in coffee shops and attacking and killing the children in our schools (remember how the noble soldiers of Islam like to kill children) we would not be so gentle, I assure you. You can confirm this by listening to others on this forum."

So what about in 2008 when Israel started the "war", and blew up schools and hospitals and UN shelters, killing around 300 children in the process, and then 448 children in the massacre in 2014 which Israel started, where they also blew up 4 children on a beach who were playing football. Does that mean Hamas has your permission to not be "so gentle"?

"These killers must be treated like rabid dogs (no offence to dogs meant). You can not condone these viscous people."

Unless it's Israel or the US doing it?

Yes, Nazi Germany and the Palestinians shared an enemy. Though we were allies with Stalin, who was on par with Hitler. And Zionist groups worked with Nazi Germany to get German Jews into Palestine.

Though I do have to say, that's an interesting post you made. Apart from the last bit. The Palestinians lost the war and Israel have been mass murdering and ethnically cleansing them for decades.

JohnPowell

You are ducking my question. Are you and ever been anti-semitic ? Its an easy question to answer.

Finkelstein has stated he believes Hezbollah has the right to target Israeli civilians" Evidence?

This is from his home page:

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2006/11/04 ... -09302006/

Iran will most likely get nuclear weapons and will attack Israel. Israel will nuke them back. And there you have it, problem solved. The cradle of civilization wiped off the face of the Earth. I can see no other resolution to this. The Arabs and the Israelis will not be able to work things out otherwise because both have done unforgivable things to each other.

You call your propaganda "truth" (?) but provide nothing besides your "split-tongue" rehetoric, but what else is to be expected....just the same old "you are guilty because I say so" BS. No proof just interpretations...far from the truth, just as in the following: "So what about in 2008 when Israel started the "war", " FROM Wikipedia: "Israel's stated goal was to stop rocket fire into Israel[45] and weapons smuggling into the Gaza strip.[46][47][48] Israeli forces attacked police stations, military targets including weapons caches and suspected rocket firing teams,[49] as well as political and administrative institutions in the opening assault, striking in the densely populated cities of Gaza, Khan Yunis and Rafah"

And, if anyone didn't already know, there were many rocket attacks against Israel...in the past traces of Sarin gas had been found in their shot-down remnants. Additionally there were many smuggled guns that the Palestinians used in their terror attacks regularly....and after the Israeli measure these terrorist attacks declined to almost zero, as did the rocket attacks.

So why didn't you bother to give this small detail while accusing Israel? Perhaps you call rockets fired at Israel an act of Allah? You're just a typical phony apologist for Palestinians....why do you waste our time with your half lies? I ask the same question others have: Are you anti-Zionist???? Be honest in your answer please; withholding evidence in order to deceive is a lie. Does your Quran teach you this?...Oh! that's right...you're not only allowed to lie you're expected to lie...am I correct?

You may notice JohnPowell disappeared when I asked him if he was anti-Semitic.

I'm not ducking anything. I responded to Sweetleaf when she predicted that people would start to use that old trick. How can I be anti-Semitic when I am defending the Palestinians who are Semites? Now if you're asking if i'm anti-Jewish, then obviously no, as I have cited Norman Finkelstein. I drove through city traffic (one of my biggest fears) to see/hear him do a talk. I regularly listen to and read from Noam Chomsky's work, and the same goes for other Jewish people within politics. Not that I have to justify myself to you or anyone, especially when your claims are based on nothing. I already showed that video of an Israeli minister admitting that Israel just accuse critics of antisemitism or bring up the Holocaust, to try and stifle debate. So, you are using Israeli state propaganda. I also gave the ideal response to that tired old trick.

Miko Peled is an Israel Jew, just in case you didn't know-

You expect me to read through all that? Please give me the quote you're referring to and where to find it.

No they won't get nuclear weapons. No on the other side of the Proliferation Treaty will. If they did, then even if they came close to setting one up, the country would be leveled immediately by the US or Israel, which Iran knows. Israel has no intention of working things out and never has.

I didn't get a chance to post yesterday, is that OK?

No, I call facts the truth, and you call Israeli propaganda or what they "state" as "truth, as you just did. - "Israel's stated goal was to stop rocket fire into Israel[45] and weapons smuggling into the Gaza strip." You do realise that just because Israel stated something, that doesn't mean it's true, right? Now I will use your same source 'Wikipedia' to show who stared the 2008 "war"- "On 4 November 2008 Israel broke the ceasefire with an attack on Gaza. The Israeli military claimed the target of the raid was a tunnel that they said Hamas was planning to use to capture Israeli soldiers positioned on the border fence 250m away.[94]" Now unless someone in the Israeli ranks is a proven clairvoyant, their excuse is worthless.

Yes, there were "rockets" fired at Israel in response, we won't even mention the 18 month long blockade that had been imposed on Gaza, which included blocking vital medical treatment for cancer and stuff like ya know, food. There were no attacks during the ceasefire which Israel broke.

If you want to talk about real rockets, let's talk about the ones fired into Gaza, blowing up thousands of neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, UN shelters, farms and which left 600,000 tons of rubble behind and killed 1400 people, with 4/5's being civilians. < That's what you're defending. I don't think that Palestinians should fire "rockets" into Israel or kill civilians, one because it's wrong and evil, and two, because it's what Israel wants, to give them an excuse to go into Gaza and "mow the lawn" again. One would have to now be anti-Zionist, knowing thanks to Israeli historians and such that Zionism was always going to be at the expense of the native population. Lol, and it really says it all that you're accusing me of being a Muslim because i'm defending the Palestinians. You do realise that a large number of Palestinians are Christians?

@JohnPowell

Your propaganda is anti-Semitic. Every bone in your body screams that you are an Anti-Semite. Norman Finkelstein's work is anti-Semetic. .

You mean like the Americans supporting Assad in Syria and the PKK in Iraq?

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Yes that probably doesn't even cross the Israeli's minds even when they construct somewhat racist marriage laws against intermarriage with Palestinians. I imagine the indigenous Palestinians are closer genetically to the Judaic prophets like Abraham and Moses than blonde haired Israelis...but of course it's also about religion.

The Arab-Israeli conflict is a battle between two fanatical cults (islam and judaism). But if I had to choose which one then at least the Israelis don't support global terrorism.

Jews are not fanatical. They have been persecuted by every conquering nation or religion for the last 3000 years. During the Black Death, the Jews had to endure a massive pogrom in Germany until the King of Poland gave them sanctuary. Ironically, seven hundred years later they would be persecuted and killed by the Germans when they invaded Poland.They were almost wiped out in World War II by the Nazis through industrialized mass murder. They have every right to be fanatical. That is why their slogan is "Never Again". JohnPowell hates Jews, nations and people who support that nation state. He would like to see every Jew under a mushroom cloud.