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05 Sep 2016, 6:27 pm

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I wonder if I'm the only one who just rolls my eyes at like 70% or so of mootoo's posts.

Please don't engage with him people. I want to see a proper discussion, not one bogged down by mootoo, if there is to be one, I don't presume there to be. But I am interested what people think, otherwise I wouldn't have posted.

A tip for you mootoo. Stop sensationalising everything. I do not know what makes you think it is a good idea to do so, but just stopping doing so would cut into that 70% I think more than any other single action. It stops me from taking you even remotely seriously.

EDIT: Oh wow, you've edited your post, it's even more sensationalistic now.

You're not the only one, but I get the feeling the mods don't care because they are towing the Democratic party line and pushing against the pro-Trump discussions. Alex has made it rather clear he is against Trump and seems to see no problem with the tone in which some of the left-leaning posters speak in PPR if Trump and supporters are at the receiving end. (expect this to moderated for example for it simply being brought up, but not the millions of Mootoo threads). This is a problem as it stands with left leaning owners of social platforms. Look no further than Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, and all the MSM sites like CNN, BBC and Sky who have removed commenting altogether on their stories because of "trolls". However, I digress and I tire of PPR being the Mootoo show. So let's get back to topic shall we:

I for one think Trump and Hillary are not viable options, even if I'd vote Trump over Hillary. I also support the alt-right as much as the moderate left. The alt right like Milo are the by-product of an extreme left fringe in American culture. If people like Mootoo didn't behave the way they did, people like Milo wouldn't feel the need to be, well, people like Milo. This is the problem - one exists because the other exists.

I support most of what Milo says. He is rather prejudiced against lesbians, trans, and is not keen on abortion. Apart from that I agree with most of what he says. This is something the alt-right understands which the left needs to start understanding; You don't have to agree with someone 100% to take merit from their points.


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05 Sep 2016, 6:43 pm

Milo is prejudiced against lesbians? How come? He's gay, so why...?

I appreciate the rest of the post, but that's just such a DOES NOT COMPUTE thing that I have not heard of before that I want to know! :)



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05 Sep 2016, 6:46 pm

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Milo is prejudiced against lesbians? How come? He's gay, so why...?

I appreciate the rest of the post, but that's just such a DOES NOT COMPUTE thing that I have not heard of before that I want to know! :)

lol I'm serious, he shoots them down in a lot of his live vids and pod casts.
He supports their right to be who they are, but....I guess you'd have to listen to what he says to get what I mean.
He doesn't believe many are real lesbians, and if they are, there's a morbid reason for it.
I don't get it, either. But there you go.


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05 Sep 2016, 6:50 pm

Oh, Spectrum, if you're not too one-sided you should check out some of the comments Clinton gets: "non-human who should hang herself!" ...but that is probably fine with you since anything else is too 'PC' (technology industry should really reclaim that - also, last I checked it was equivalent to 'civility' not 'far-left', but everyone has differing impressions...)

Also, it's a matter of perception with sites... in my experience Reddit has a lot of hate in it, but if you think a few subs on people being raped being banned is too left-leaning... well.

You support what exactly if the only thing you claim he does, hating lesbians and himself, you don't get?



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05 Sep 2016, 7:00 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
Drake wrote:
Milo is prejudiced against lesbians? How come? He's gay, so why...?

I appreciate the rest of the post, but that's just such a DOES NOT COMPUTE thing that I have not heard of before that I want to know! :)

lol I'm serious, he shoots them down in a lot of his live vids and pod casts.
He supports their right to be who they are, but....I guess you'd have to listen to what he says to get what I mean.
He doesn't believe many are real lesbians, and if they are, there's a morbid reason for it.
I don't get it, either. But there you go.

Well, he's a strange one. Gay conservative alone is strange, never mind being a conservative icon...



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05 Sep 2016, 7:19 pm

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Oh, Spectrum, if you're not too one-sided you should check out some of the comments Clinton gets: "non-human who should hang herself!" ...but that is probably fine with you since anything else is too 'PC' (technology industry should really reclaim that - also, last I checked it was equivalent to 'civility' not 'far-left', but everyone has differing impressions...)

Also, it's a matter of perception with sites... in my experience Reddit has a lot of hate in it, but if you think a few subs on people being raped being banned is too left-leaning... well.

You support what exactly if the only thing you claim he does, hating lesbians and himself, you don't get?

I think you misunderstand; I'm aware Clinton gets those sorts of comments just as Trump does. The difference is I simply don't care. I'm far more interested in facts than whether or not Clinton or Trump are good/bad people. Let's be frank, they're all bad. Even the good ones. Very few leaders in the last couple of centuries have been testaments to mankind and the sooner we all accept that the better.

Let the idiots make idiotic comments, the sensitive make equally idiotic comments and leave the politics to political thinkers I say.


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06 Sep 2016, 2:21 am

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Let the idiots make idiotic comments, the sensitive make equally idiotic comments and leave the politics to political thinkers I say.


Idiotic thinking and political thinking are not exclusive.



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13 Sep 2016, 6:33 pm

I am saying this as a Jewish person, who is generally regarded as being white, in liberal California. My identity, is somewhat along the lines of hyphenated-Euopean-Americans, who have foreign flag garlands on their Christmas trees or eat ethnic novelty foods.

Red Ice Creations is disparaging Milo, today, as well as moderate members of the alt right. In their opinion, Western Europeans (as a race) are responsible for Constitutional freedoms. They believe that cultural libertarianism (where anything goes) is unsustainable, and specifically call for a separatist ethno-state, where each respective race is a supremist, in his own land. Soft-liners are being regarded as dupes and comic foils, used to derail the movement, which the hard-liners see as a purge.

Milo is being described as a homosexual Jew, who can't shut up, about his black lovers. Unabashed fascists believe that he is a demoralizing influence, exemplary of the Jewish Question (jq).

They generally favor pride, over hate, in their argumentative style, saying that the relocation of mine and other minorities is being done out of love. :roll: :heart:

I believe this is the central theme, in a sort-of witch hunt, which will work it's way up the social food chain of affluence, as purges always do. I do not see myself as being at the very bottom but still track the movement on my radar.



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14 Sep 2016, 3:05 am

TheSpectrum wrote:
Mootoo wrote:
Oh, Spectrum, if you're not too one-sided you should check out some of the comments Clinton gets: "non-human who should hang herself!" ...but that is probably fine with you since anything else is too 'PC' (technology industry should really reclaim that - also, last I checked it was equivalent to 'civility' not 'far-left', but everyone has differing impressions...)

Also, it's a matter of perception with sites... in my experience Reddit has a lot of hate in it, but if you think a few subs on people being raped being banned is too left-leaning... well.

You support what exactly if the only thing you claim he does, hating lesbians and himself, you don't get?

I think you misunderstand; I'm aware Clinton gets those sorts of comments just as Trump does. The difference is I simply don't care. I'm far more interested in facts than whether or not Clinton or Trump are good/bad people. Let's be frank, they're all bad. Even the good ones. Very few leaders in the last couple of centuries have been testaments to mankind and the sooner we all accept that the better.

Let the idiots make idiotic comments, the sensitive make equally idiotic comments and leave the politics to political thinkers I say.


Hmm... the problem is that sensitive is sometimes equated with idiotic. This is a stereotypically conservative viewpoint. And of course the errors in this logic are obvious and don't need to be pointed out.

I have no love for Yiannopolous. He seems like a bully to me.

It's possible to be political and not like politicians. I have political views but I don't generally like politicians.



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14 Sep 2016, 7:29 am

Milo is more of a clown than a bully, the bullies are the people that try to silence him.



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14 Sep 2016, 8:56 am

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However on freedom of speech hes is on point.


Yep, and for that I think he's a pretty cool dude.

As an aside: I find it ironic and hilarious how a gay Jew, which is Milo, is a mouthpiece of the supposedly antisemitic and homophobic Alt-Right. Well, it makes me laugh anyway.

I'm pretty sure he dates black dudes too. Heh.



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14 Sep 2016, 3:16 pm

Well he openly hates women and writes disgusting things about them, but that's OK for him to hate women I guess because he's gay. I mean, it's not like he writes hateful things about a group that doesn't deserve to be hated on, so he's fine. He's not a bigot or a bully, he's just misunderstood.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/0 ... and-crazy/


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14 Sep 2016, 6:01 pm

The man truly has fabulous taste in enemies.


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14 Sep 2016, 7:31 pm

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Well he openly hates women and writes disgusting things about them.../


The mgtow angle is social utilitarianism.

Pure statists believe that conservative ideals, such as family and nationhood, serve a constructive purpose.

Milo is relevant, in a general, reactionary, political atmosphere, which tends toward multi-polarism and de-industrialization, although a weaker, more-effeminate voice than the fascist chest-beaters.



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14 Sep 2016, 8:13 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Well he openly hates women and writes disgusting things about them.../


The mgtow angle is social utilitarianism.

Pure statists believe that conservative ideals, such as family and nationhood, serve a constructive purpose.

Milo is relevant, in a general, reactionary, political atmosphere, which tends toward multi-polarism and de-industrialization, although a weaker, more-effeminate voice than the fascist chest-beaters.


Cool.


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14 Sep 2016, 8:24 pm

Communists (who I would like to call pure-statists) are adamant historians, who studied past empires to the tee, stripped them of all bias, and borrowed from their methods.

They might be considered in two stages -- Leninism and Stalinism, demoralization and utilitarianism, democracy and republic.

I believe that the pendulum of history may swing in Milo's direction and then some. I am saying this, in the impartial and methodical sense. I have biases, and they do not favor Milo, per se.