The detrimental effects of pornography on youth today

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11 Mar 2016, 6:25 pm

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I think we really need to look at how we're raising our kids. When I was a kid, I don't remember girls being expected to engage in sexual intercourse before even any kind of relationship occurred, at least not on this scale. The girls here are clearly being negatively impacted, because the feelings of boys and men are being prioritized over them.

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles ... 420147.htm

And, yeah, if you ask someone out (and this includes asking out girls and women) and they say "no," then accept it. Don't try to argue with them, don't try to create a persuasive speech, or anything like that: that's just creepy and shows you have zero respect for them as a person.



Can't put genie back in the bottle! History doesn't move backwards it moves forwards. Mandatory sex ed other than abstinence is a very good idea. For some unfortunately souls, porn is the only sexual gratification they will ever get.

But as someone who came out of a short, intense sexual relationship(6 months from June to November 2014) I can say that sex with a REAL person is so different than masturbation/porn watching it's not even funny.



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11 Mar 2016, 8:55 pm

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You made a claim. That young people can tell between fantasy and reality. By which I infer you mean the realities of sexual relations between men and women.


Fantasy and reality in general. I'm not aware of any studies that are on that specific subject (and good luck finding one on google without filtering all the hits on adult sites using a military grade blocker), but there have been multiple documentaries and studies done wherein teenagers were asked their opinions of porn.

There should be a study somewhere by Andrea Ólafsdóttir - I'm unable to find the name of the study (not helped by the fact it's from Iceland) - in which most boys agreed with the girls that "pornography was humiliating, disgusting, unreal and ridiculous".

Of course, I've no idea what particular movies or clips they were shown, or what effect that might have had on results.

Oh, and technically I'm making a counter-claim. The initial claim is reliant on the idea that teenagers can't distinguish between porn and reality.

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I'm not sure I agree with you when you use these terms to describe the problem. But since you did, I will use them. Pornography blends fantasy with reality because when you see something, even on screen, it becomes part of your mental repertoire of knowledge. How can you become unaware of it when you enter into your own relationship? It can't not affect you.


Precisely the argument made by the "violent video games cause real world violence" mob, though I think this is slightly more nuanced. As you mentioned relationships, presumably we're dealing with two consenting adults who are capable of communicating with one another. Part of sexuality includes experimentation and playing out fantasies. If both agree to try recreate something one or both have seen in a porn video, I'm not sure it's anyone's business but theirs.

Could it potentially lead to bad or disappointing sexual experiences? Absolutely. Are young men and women going to commit violence (of the non-consensual sexual variety) because they watched some BDSM? Unlikely.

I find it fascinating that you're framing this as a problem. The problem, if there is one, is that which is common to all inexperienced couples. That is to say, inexperience itself.



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11 Mar 2016, 10:23 pm

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I think a place we could start is to make sure that we have comprehensive sex education nationwide to teach kids to distinguish between fantasy and reality. Cut out that effing wishful-thinking abstinence crap.


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11 Mar 2016, 10:42 pm

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The problem has been identified and the blame has been laid.

Now, does anyone have a practical solution, or is this going to be just another seemingly endless thread of back-and-forth blame-shaming?

I'll take a shot at it.

1. teach everyone in our society at appropriate levels as they grow up that men and women are equal.

2. teach everyone in our society at appropriate levels as they grow up that consensual, responsible sex is enjoyable and good.

3. teach everyone in our society at appropriate levels as they grow up that pornography can be exploitative or it can be a form of exotic, artistic expression. It be socially responsible, or socially damaging. Teach them the difference and why it is important.


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12 Mar 2016, 3:04 am

some nsfw advice here, and some social commentary. I wouldn't so much call porn 'detrimental to youth' as much as simply 'unrealistic.' Porn actors play for the camera, and it's really un-sexy to be trying to sex it up with someone who is more interested in a hypothetical audience than in you, or who thinks that's what will turn you on.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/ad ... -vs-women/
http://markmanson.net/pornography-can-r ... r-sex-life
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/al ... ts-bad-sex
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/14/8_lesso ... n_partner/



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12 Mar 2016, 10:32 am

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The initial claim is reliant on the idea that teenagers can't distinguish between porn and reality.

Like I said, that does not really capture what I am thinking.

Everyone, kids and adults are affected by what they see. Even when it is through an interface. The topic is youth, but I think the abundance of unrealistic pornography is detrimental to everyone. It debases the sexual experience and the people participating (including the audience.) And with children it creates unrealistic expectations and degrades the actual sexual experience.



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12 Mar 2016, 12:39 pm

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adifferentname wrote:
The initial claim is reliant on the idea that teenagers can't distinguish between porn and reality.

Like I said, that does not really capture what I am thinking.

Everyone, kids and adults are affected by what they see. Even when it is through an interface. The topic is youth, but I think the abundance of unrealistic pornography is detrimental to everyone. It debases the sexual experience and the people participating (including the audience.)


But you aren't explaining how. Like I pointed out, teenage boys and girls described pornography as "humiliating, disgusting, unreal and ridiculous". They're not perceiving what they were shown as normal, healthy or even titillating.

I think that, as with any form of entertainment, there is a target audience and there is everybody else. Those who don't find anything of value in porn will, presumably, not continue consuming it.

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And with children it creates unrealistic expectations and degrades the actual sexual experience.


Like all children before them, they'll work it out for themselves via a process of embarrassing, clumsy, sloppy trial and error. One can hope that they'll get at least a modicum of guidance from their parents, but even without it they'll find their feet (or indeed their backs).



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12 Mar 2016, 6:35 pm

One way is it can teach young adults & almost-adults that their bodies are...insufficient, compared to the ones on the screen. It also convinces them that they "should" be doing positions/acts a, b, and c when they aren't even enjoyable. Basically, bad porn reduces sex down to a performance rather than a sharing and co-enjoying experience.


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12 Mar 2016, 10:12 pm

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One way is it can teach young adults & almost-adults that their bodies are...insufficient, compared to the ones on the screen. It also convinces them that they "should" be doing positions/acts a, b, and c when they aren't even enjoyable. Basically, bad porn reduces sex down to a performance rather than a sharing and co-enjoying experience.
That much is obvious. Now, what do you suggest to be done to either eliminate porn itself, eliminate access to porn, or eliminate porn's influence on young people?

I see a lot of posts about porn, but nothing so far that offers a way to eliminate porn.


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12 Mar 2016, 11:17 pm

Fnord,

She already answered your question.

Edenthiel wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The problem has been identified and the blame has been laid.

Now, does anyone have a practical solution, or is this going to be just another seemingly endless thread of back-and-forth blame-shaming?

I'll take a shot at it.

1. teach everyone in our society at appropriate levels as they grow up that men and women are equal.

2. teach everyone in our society at appropriate levels as they grow up that consensual, responsible sex is enjoyable and good.

3. teach everyone in our society at appropriate levels as they grow up that pornography can be exploitative or it can be a form of exotic, artistic expression. It be socially responsible, or socially damaging. Teach them the difference and why it is important.


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12 Mar 2016, 11:18 pm

I also answered it:

beneficii wrote:
I think a place we could start is to make sure that we have comprehensive sex education nationwide to teach kids to distinguish between fantasy and reality. Cut out that effing wishful-thinking abstinence crap.


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13 Mar 2016, 1:54 pm

:wall: That's right, you did. Stupid me.

I blame the medicine I'm taking for "walking" pneumonia right now.

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