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Those are symptoms of white privilege, not actually what is meant by "white privilege".

White privilege is simply preferential treatment.

For example:

- a landlord will rent to you, because his experience are that blacks are bad tenets, so he decides to give you preferential treatment.

- a bank will loan to you , because the bank manger looks at his statistics and sees that loans to blacks are much more risky, so he gives you preferential treatment.

it's not just systemic racism and sexism that is a problem.

We all have implicit biases against certain people and groups.

L_Holmes,

You didn't actually read the studies. They actually have done studies counting all of those distinctions you've mentioned.

LoveNotHate,

You're making my point. As a white person I am less likely to be affected by racism than minorities.

https://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjul ... apsack.pdf

http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is ... stics.html

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Systematic racism occurs when the implicit or even explicit biases of the majority are written into law which was and is the case with this country.

I don't think "quite a bit" is accurate. Some, sure. But in a country that has many anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action etc., you cannot honestly say that the whole system is biased on the basis of racism and sexism. We have lots of minorities and women in positions of institutional power. Hell, our president is a black man, and our next one is possibly, even likely, going to be a woman. That does not look like "quite a bit of institutional racism and sexism" to me.

Yes you can and I am saying that institutional racism, sexism and bigotry still are institutional in this country. Some areas are better others and It's true we've made a tremendous amount of progress. But we still have plenty of problems still remaining.

When we started this conversation about the wage gap, I was merely referring to the "Women make 77 cents on the dollar compared to men" BS that is the common line of mainstream feminists. There are indeed some industries that men have a slight advantage in. In computer programming women get around 95 cents; cashiers get 92 cents; customer service reps get 95 cents. So sure, I'll give you this one, there are some biases. But it is not the "77 cents on the dollar" claim that mainstream feminists and pandering muppets like Obama have constantly made. And it's not blatant institutional sexism that is to blame, but rather that women are underrepresented in these fields, which is largely because of the choices of individual women not to go into these fields rather than being outright prevented from it. Also, surely there are some people who treat their female employees unfairly. But these are both cases of people's individual sensibilities, which cannot just be legislated away.

But maybe that's too nuanced for you people to understand. I wish it was simpler, but unfortunately many of the problems in life are much more complicated than we would like, and can't be blamed on the boogeyman of institutional racism, sexism etc.

Obviously, institutionalized racism should not be blamed for all woes. Obviously, people should take responsibility for their own lives, rather than look for scapegoats.

But, saying this, there still exists a certain amount of discrimination against non-Caucasian peoples in areas such as housing and jobs. We have to acknowledge this, and work on it.

But we also have to stop seeking scapegoats and take more responsibility for ourselves should things go wrong.

No actually you are just ignoring facts you don't like. Did you even glance at the links I provided? Yes things are getting better as has been stated over and over but the disparity still remains.

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I also want to address the racism that everyone thinks is so prevalent in this country. Contrary to popular SJW beliefs, it is also a very nuanced, complicated subject. Black people are generally poorer than white people, certainly. They are more likely to get stopped in traffic or questioned by police, I'm sure. But you know what else? Black people actually committed more of the robberies and murders in 2013 than white people, despite them being only 13% of the population. I'm not saying that I condone the actions of the police or citizens who fear blacks and treat them differently based on their skin color, but with all the violent crime committed by the black community, it's dishonest to say that black people are not at all contributing to this issue.

Also, guess who actually kills the most black people in America? Other black people. They kill WAY more black people than police do each year. Not all of the police killings are justified, but even so, in the period from January 1, 2009 to December 31, 2012, police killed 112 black men annually (on average). This is compared to a staggering 4,472 that were killed by other black men. Using SJW logic, I can only conclude from this data that black people are about 40 times more racist against blacks than the police are. If Black Lives Matter truly believed that black lives matter, you'd think they'd address the huge problem of black-on-black homicide, which is the leading cause of death in black men ages 15-34.

Here's another fun fact: in 2013, about twice as many whites were murdered by blacks than blacks murdered by whites. This is despite the fact that our country is ridiculously rife with racist white people. Hmm... that doesn't make a lot of sense... oh, wait a minute! Maybe, just maybe, that's actually NOT the case. Maybe, when a white person in America says something that could be considered even remotely racist, the first people to pounce on you are actually other white people, not offended blacks. Or maybe it's all an elaborate conspiracy of white people to act like a non-racist would, in order to hide the fact that they really are racist. Call me crazy, but I think the first one makes a little more sense.

Sources:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... s/table-43
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... r_2013.xls
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... ericans-1/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ack-crime/ (No, Breitbart is not my first choice for information, but I couldn't find much of anything better that actually used facts. You can thank the SJWs for that.)

Yes, civilized and political! Thank you guys.

Yes, I did. The fact is, the graphs they show are pretty much all based on the flawed "compare all men to all women" logic, which is misleading and dishonest, because most people don't read the fine print. I did read the sources. What I did see was, yes, I AGREE that there are real disparities in some industries. What I didn't see was any truth behind the exaggerated number of 77 cents, which is a mainstream idea that is being put on f*****g bumper stickers, despite it being completely false. Nor did I see even the slightest hint of proof that these disparities are because of institutional sexism. It's much more complicated than that, a fact which I also already explained. You are the one ignoring facts you don't like.

L_Holmes

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... r-pay-gap/
yes it is complicated, that doesn't change the fact that the wage gap persists.

You know people can advocate for more than one cause at once. Just because there is a movement against police killing unarmed black men doesn't mean they don't also care about the homicide rate for African Americans. But your logic doesn't make sense anyway, your comparing apples and oranges with those two statistics. You can't look at where we are now and not see remnants of the past still around us. Segregation wasn't that long ago. many of the people who experienced it are still alive today. To expect a society to rid itself of all institutional biases in such a short time is ludicrous. And about the homicide rates that can largley be explained by income inequality among other factors.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/0 ... homicides/

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/blac ... countries/

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/51/5/739.full

https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/ ... ence_0.pdf

I never said that it doesn't exist. What I'm saying is simply that the problems are exaggerated, and can't be blamed on institutional racism, sexism etc. It is now illegal to discriminate, as we have many anti-discrimination laws. Some states perhaps need more, I'm not really extremely knowledgeable on what and where the laws are or if they are enforced, but as a whole, the current system is not based in blatant racism like the regressives would have you believe. They are distracting from the real problems.

Certainly the black community in particular still suffers from the effects of institutional racism that not long ago was the norm, and I'm not denying that. My point is, that aspect of the problem (institutionalized discrimination) is no longer the main issue. Now it is one of discrimination against poor people (classism), which given the poverty rates in the black community does indeed affect them disproportionately.

But you see, that's not an issue of discrimination on the basis of race, it's discrimination on the basis of class, which just so happens to affect black people more. Past racism and mistreatment largely contributed to this being the case, but that particular aspect of the problem has vastly improved.

Nope. But if I did, then that would make me an expert on the subject, now wouldn't it?