Transgender Olympians: The end of female sport?

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What about people who identify/are non binary, non conforming, genderfluid, genderquestioning? Depending on who you read are 45 or 60 or more gender related identities now.

I lived through the counterculture 50 years ago and second and third wave feminism, this seems to be even a bigger social revolution.

Care to cite some examples of such?

The Guardian didn't cover it for some reason.

Nah, people behaved themselves in this one, even me.

There's another article:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-female-/

It's interesting they note that someone dropped to a lower weight class to elude her.

@ Sweetleaf:

You're looking at the wrong end of the extreme. The male average greater strength means the top strength limit for a man is far above the top strength limit for a woman.

This person just comes strolling into the competition after transitioning on debut and crushes everyone. They might meet the testosterone limit, but that muscle mass they built up competing as a man isn't going to just magically disappear, nor are the structural advantages a male body has over a female one.

Daily Fail! They can't even get the name right, it's Laurel not Lauren!

Maybe she went with Laurel because she knew she'd be scooping up laurel wreaths...

another rub to this is .. she has not undergone SRS (sex reassignment), and New Zealand requires that for a gender change, so presumably she is still a "man" legally

"Changing name and sex on a passport is also only currently available for post-operative transgender people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgend ... ew_Zealand

however, I am OK with it in principal

I have only the deepest contempt for these trans athletes.

I do recognise they need to make a living, but it goes against everything sporting competition is, it goes against the very essence of it.

This Laurel Hubbard stole that gold medal in my eyes, and stole the New Zealand national record, as surely as if I ripped the medal from around the neck of a woman and somehow also got my name recognised in the books as the owner of that medal and the holder of that record.

lol you make it sound like they're getting their hair done instead of undergoing biological changes

who knew transitioning was outpatient?

Sure, here's a great example:

Is he contemptuous because they're trans, or because he believes they are using the fact they're trans to gain an unfair advantage (an opinion he is not alone in)? Are you suggesting trans people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because they're trans? That they should be free from criticism in a way that non-trans people would not be? Or would you also class criticism of Lance Armstrong as "phobic"?

In my opinion, you're doing more to dehumanise trans people by reducing them to no more than a single label than Drake would presumably consider doing. Of the two of you, Drake is the one treating them like human beings with human motivations and traits, merits and flaws.

Cast out the beam in thine own eye.

For the sake of credibility, you might want to present "a whole lotta" examples that aren't posts made after you made the allegation.

Indeed, it has everything to do with what they're doing. I'd feel the same way if, say, there was a guy in boxing dominating and he had a metal hand and was allowed to use it. It would be like the old gag with a horseshoe hidden inside the glove.



Those who make the rules are the real problem. The opportunity should not be open to begin with.

Something something Oscar Pistorius.

Isn't this more like 'gigantism'?

Someone has an advantage because they have exposure to non-ordinary hormones?

I have a feeling those guys don't compete in the same weight division. Also, gigantism gives an advantage in reach, but they frequently have fragile bones and circulatory problems. Arguably not a beneficial tradeoff.

The contention is that biological males have a significant advantage in strength and endurance for the same weight. Plus advantages in body structure that isn't achiveable to biological females.

Medical care under supervision of a doctor is not the same as illegal steroid abuse, that's a false equivalence.


Look at that, it's the "minorities are just asking for special privileges" argument. Bravo!


A thousand pardons. I've been a diviner for many years, and sometimes the lines between past, present, and future can become terribly blurred.