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11 May 2007, 10:36 pm

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should i say hail hitler or salute stalin?


Hitler was a backer of murdering people with mental disabilities (and other disabilities, and lots of other people). I'm not sure about Stalin. I remember this his government was obsessive in researching the idea of a "new Soviet Man," and attempted anti-science research to that effect, although in regards to disabled people I don't remember.

I am not some ruthless maniac. It has not always been "normal" and "compassionate" in the United States to permit the homeless to sleep on the street, and doing otherwise did not turn the country into a fascist dictatorship.



i was refering to your saying it should be easier to force-medicate. which would easily lead to the government force medicating any dissidents to keep them placated and lead to pretty much what russia had....so i actually meant either brezhnev or khrushchev if you want to be literal. but the tactic of using psyche wards and psychoactive medications to quiet dissidents would fit into making it easier to force-medicate anyone.



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11 May 2007, 11:52 pm

What does that have to do with anything?


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12 May 2007, 1:11 am

he said it should be made easier for the government to beable to force-medicate people because a lot of people on the streets are crazy (i thought it was just the drugs).



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12 May 2007, 7:35 am

We have to think of more long term solution instead of band aid solutions as I posted earlier.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.



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12 May 2007, 4:39 pm

Oh, so that's what you mean!


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12 May 2007, 6:07 pm

kt-64 wrote:
We have to think of more long term solution instead of band aid solutions as I posted earlier.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.



i agree. a welfare system that actually encourages people to get and sustain work and help teach them how to save money would do wonders (most poor people aren't taught the importance of saving money and that's how you end up with poor people who buy big screen tv's and thousands dollars rims).


so yeah...there are things that could be done to help. but in the end...would it work or would it just flop into the current system again where people just have money thrown at them.



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16 May 2007, 1:17 pm

I think there were always be homeless people, since some people chose to be homeless, sometimes I have been tempted, if it didn't get to negative forty here. haha. But I think another reason is mental disablities and although with medication they would be able to get and maintain jobs. If you think about it, to get the job they need medication, and to get medication they need money and to get money you need a job. Also, if they got a job, with their history it wouldn't be much better than minimum wage. My mom works as a psych nurse and she says that medication is so expensive alot of her patients have to decided if they should by food or medication. And we all have that nasty habit of eating so they eat go without medication lose their job become homeless and they are at square one.

Also, didn't Reagan close down some mental hospitals when he was in office? I am not sure but my mom sure knows since she says she has encountered alot of them.



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16 May 2007, 4:49 pm

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I think there were always be homeless people, since some people chose to be homeless, sometimes I have been tempted, if it didn't get to negative forty here. haha. But I think another reason is mental disablities and although with medication they would be able to get and maintain jobs. If you think about it, to get the job they need medication, and to get medication they need money and to get money you need a job. Also, if they got a job, with their history it wouldn't be much better than minimum wage. My mom works as a psych nurse and she says that medication is so expensive alot of her patients have to decided if they should by food or medication. And we all have that nasty habit of eating so they eat go without medication lose their job become homeless and they are at square one.

Also, didn't Reagan close down some mental hospitals when he was in office? I am not sure but my mom sure knows since she says she has encountered alot of them.


bush closed down a lot more and redirected that money towards the faith-based initiatives.



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17 May 2007, 11:26 am

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bush closed down a lot more and redirected that money towards the faith-based initiatives.


Ohh even worse. I know that Republicans want to limit what people are taking from wellfare, and it does seem reasonable to cut off people who are able to help themselves but don't want to. But this kind of stuff, jeeze that just seems heartless. And he calls this faith-based crap "compassionate conservatism."



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17 May 2007, 5:08 pm

Aysmptotes wrote:
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bush closed down a lot more and redirected that money towards the faith-based initiatives.


Ohh even worse. I know that Republicans want to limit what people are taking from wellfare, and it does seem reasonable to cut off people who are able to help themselves but don't want to. But this kind of stuff, jeeze that just seems heartless. And he calls this faith-based crap "compassionate conservatism."



i call it a violation of the rights of agnostics and atheists because we do not benefit from religious organizations and do not want religious organizations receiving our tax money and funding. that's why they're charities and why they're tax free....because they receive donations from their respective congregations.



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21 May 2007, 2:08 am

Here in St. Petersburg, Florida they have ways of dealing with homeless people ( some of you might have seen the tent-slashing videos on youtube recently). Most of the time they round them up and throw them in jail, especially before a baseball game when tourists might be present ( apparently homeless people look offensive to people from Michigan and Canada). It is against the law to sleep on a park bench or lay in a doorway at night (even in a storm), and so it is easy to incarcerate them on these charges (I guess if you're homeless you either sleep on the ground or you go to jail). Many of these guys are mentally ill or have alcohol issues, so if the police find an open beer it's off to jail again where they take up valuable jail space ( meanwhile the jail has to let other people out early due to overcrowding). The mentally ill or alcoholic homeless inmates don't stay in jail long enough to get any sort of treatment so they just toss them back out on the street where another cop can pick them up in a few days and complete his quota for the month. Floriduh............



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21 May 2007, 5:09 am

ha...i lived in orlando. just an hour and a half east. yeah, florida is pretty dumb....but you gotta start somewhere...and getting them off the streets is a start. coming up with a productive solution after you've gotten them off the streets is the real challenge.



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21 May 2007, 9:55 am

homeless people are alright, i do think the mentally ill ones need some help though


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