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Rush was talking about Trump, imitating his supporters, the very people Adamantium was talking about.

The word 'cuck' is not mainstream.

The circumstances are irrelevant. The mere fact of media reporting on him using it in that context pushes it into the mainstream. It was already spreading on social media platforms as a generic term to describe someone acting against their best interests. Now it's in mainstream publications. It's cut-and-dried.

To be mainstream, it would need to be used in multiple contexts, by people outside that subculture. You have yet to demonstrate that.

The word in the sense of 'race traitor' is used in the context of white supremacist ideology and was then borrowed by fellow travelers among the alt-right and identitarian movement. Most ordinary people, including liberals and moderates, generally do not use that word and we have no desire to start.

This is why the usage of the word in this thread is notable and became a point of discussion.

I don't think this word is ever going mainstream.

Your head has to be in a pretty messed up place for it to even make sense as an insult.

Cuck is being used almost exclusively by conservatives and alt-right.
It is however being appropriated by /leftpol which hate both the identity politics of the left and their view of conservative madness of the right (in other words, they hate almost everyone).

It's not going mainstream, though it has been used on air.

part 12 of the Podesta emails released today

hits keep coming, it will continue to election day

they will be forced to cover the story and the FBI/DOJ will be forced to act

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/21526


Hillary campaign getting debate questions in advance once again

How can any Bernie supporter support Hillary?

Maybe for the reasons Bernie Sanders enumerated?

Are you suggesting my head is in a messed up place? The insult makes perfect sense in its application - as I explained in an earlier post.

Lashing out with insults because you don't personally understand it is not behaviour becoming of a mod.

Cuck isn't exactly mainstream but I think there's significant awareness of it outside of fetish communities. It's mostly used by Trumpites.

No, you might be employing as a generic term of abuse entirely liberated from its actual meaning.

It might just be that all the cool kids in some other place you frequent are using it and you just want to go with the flow, in which case you aren't "making sense of it" but just using it.

But if "someone is sleeping with your wife" seems to make sense as a reply in that conversation, that does seem irrational to me.

Edited to ad:
That original "Your head has to be..." was meant to be the generic "you" not the personal "you" and I regret that it was interpretable that way. Had I been striving for greater precision of expression, I might have worded it "one has to be.." as this construction conveys the generic sense precisely-but I fear it's a bit archaic and stilted. I suspect it seems pompous, so I try to avoid it unless the clarity it brings is absolutely necessary.

I'm not employing it at all, except in the example I provided.



Swing and a miss.

But that can't possibly make sense either, as it references baseball rather than the incorrect making of guesses, right?



It's being used as a metaphor. It's meant to imply that someone is "unmanly", weak and easily cowed - esp. with regards to acting against their self-interests (hence stormfront and other wackos using it to imply someone is a cowardly race traitor). Despite your suggestion that it requires some kind of mental disorder to understand its context as an insult, all that is actually necessary is a couple of minutes, access to the internet and a tiny bit of curiosity upon encountering it all over social media.



I'm aware it was generic. Being generic doesn't alter the fact that you suggested my head was in a messed up place. There is no logical way of interpreting a generic - "Your head has to be in a pretty messed up place for it to even make sense as an insult." - as excluding myself.

What might be construed as pompous is opting to suggest I'd misunderstood you rather than accepting that you erred.

I consider that to be a little messed up.

OK, thanks for explaining that you were just tossing off an insult in violation of WP rules.

I don't think this will ever be a mainstream insult because of the implied concepts of sexual power relations. I can see that the "weak and unable to defend" metaphor would make sense of you viewed the world in that way, but so many people don't that it's just not going to fly outside of the right wing circles where it is currently used.

Edited to addYou seem to have misunderstood what I meant by generic. I was not actually thinking of you at all when I wrote "your head has to be in a pretty messed up place to use it" --I was thinking "who would use this knowing that it means cuckold? And what are they actually trying to say about the person they are using it on." I do think that "you can't protect your property" applied to marriage is messed up thinking. Wives aren't property. Extending this to other stuff makes even less sense.

If you want to have an argument about the idea of using the word, what an excellent word choice it is because of all the deep truths it conveys, by all means do that. If you want to pick a fight with me personally, you are just going to be frustrated because this forum isn't a place for that.

Adamantium,

Did adifferentname try to use this insult also, or did they just try to argue that it was "mainstream"? I was under the impression that this was the post in question, and that it was xile123 who tried to use the insult:

I did no such thing - on either count.



Calling a guy a "pu**y" is still fairly popular. Insults based on emasculation will always have a market.



I understand perfectly well, thanks. Doubling down on the condescension isn't really casting you in the best light. You've also misquoted yourself. If you read your original post and compare it to mine, you'll understand my objection.



Complaining about your generalisation that clearly applied to myself is not picking a fight, it's objecting to an insult. Considering that you're wearing a moderator hat, that last could very easily come across as a veiled threat.

I think it's perfectly reasonable of me to complain when I believe I've been slighted, even if the slight was unintentional. Perhaps you have a different opinion, but it most certainly does not invalidate mine.

I'm not wearing my moderator hat unless I write under the [moderating] tag or send a PM about a moderating action.

I see that the original user of "cuck" here was someone else, my apologies for confusing you with that other person.
I genuinely don't understand why you are taking umbrage then. If you were using this word, too, I had not noticed it.

As for the rest, we'll have to agree to disagree. Use of this term will automatically make me think ill of the user, every bit as valid a reaction as any other. I don't personally use "p***y" as a term of abuse or weakness, either.