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If so, then there may be some who are doing that, but that's not what motivated me about looking at the deplorable views of some who have been emboldened by the Trump campaign.
I think Trump is directly guilty of inciting bigotry of several kinds.
That and not any sort of guilt by association is the problem.
Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas.
I don't think all (or even most) Trump fans are guilty of fostering these ideas nor do I wish to imply such a thing.
I do think it strange that people who aren't racist, xenophobic or misogynist are more or less comfortable with someone who says these kinds of things. I am guessing that they are willing to overlook those things in order to focus on what they see as the main point.
"Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas."
This sounds exactly like what you are doing with this thread - the word "Deplorable" came from Clinton's own mouth and now you're making this thread by "spreading those bigoted ideas". Clinton said the same kind of crap about Catholics and Christians. I see her as the next Hitler. You just don't want to see it.
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I can see that this thread has had that effect, and I am a little shocked. You really don't realize that the guy you support says this kind of stuff all the time? I know and love people from Mexico. I feel the deepest contempt for what Trump said about Mexicans.
Now, I understand that you think this thread is equivalent, somehow. But I don't think it is. I don't think you can find a place where I am saying that you are one of those people or share Trumps ugliest ideas. It's not there.
But It is interesting that even feeling a little sting from being anywhere near the target of such language makes you feel so upset. Have you ever wondered what it's like to be a Mexican American and hear that garbage? If you would take a moment to read the report on the impact of the campaign on schools, I think you would be troubled by it.
Show me a single place where Hillary Clinton said anything like this about Catholics and Christians. Not "I read on Drudge that someone in the campaign wrote a letter about Catholic politics" but something from Clinton herself.
I am certain you can't present any evidence of such a thing, because it doesn't exist.
She is by far more of a Christian than Donald Trump could pretend be on his biggest day with those two Corinthians. She is a Methodist and the record makes it clear that she takes her faith very seriously.
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A couple of links about Clinton/Hitlers deep Christian faith:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... lieve.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ligion-lo/
Can you imagine such a sentence coming out of the mouth of Donald Trump?
I don't think he is familiar with the idea of gifts, discernment or compassion in the Christian sense.
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I can see that this thread has had that effect, and I am a little shocked. You really don't realize that the guy you support says this kind of stuff all the time? I know and love people from Mexico. I feel the deepest contempt for what Trump said about Mexicans.
Now, I understand that you think this thread is equivalent, somehow. But I don't think it is. I don't think you can find a place where I am saying that you are one of those people or share Trumps ugliest ideas. It's not there.
But It is interesting that even feeling a little sting from being anywhere near the target of such language makes you feel so upset. Have you ever wondered what it's like to be a Mexican American and hear that garbage? If you would take a moment to read the report on the impact of the campaign on schools, I think you would be troubled by it.
Show me a single place where Hillary Clinton said anything like this about Catholics and Christians. Not "I read on Drudge that someone in the campaign wrote a letter about Catholic politics" but something from Clinton herself.
I am certain you can't present any evidence of such a thing, because it doesn't exist.
She is by far more of a Christian than Donald Trump could pretend be on his biggest day with those two Corinthians. She is a Methodist and the record makes it clear that she takes her faith very seriously.
What you don't understand is I love Mexican people - LEGAL Mexican people. It's not a "Mexican" thing even though that's what Hillary wants you to believe. I would be against illegal Italians, Germans, Russians - anyone who comes here ILLEGALLY. Do you know that I have worked with Mexicans and have had Mexican patients who are pissed off that the illegals came here the way they did. Like Hillary says - we are a nation of laws and coming here illegally is illegal.
Have you heard some of the names I have been called here?
And even though I am Christian, I do not vote a candidate in for their religion. It would make no difference to me if Trump was Atheist, just so he doesn't take away my religious freedoms.
https://gop.com/more-anti-catholic-emai ... m-clinton/
They want to change the Catholic Church from the inside to their beliefs and that is probably where the new Pope is coming in. The new pope is totally changing everything so much that Catholics are leaving the church and Bishops are saying really bad things about him that I'm not going to discuss here.
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It's not what you feel, but what Trump said.
They want to change the Catholic Church from the inside to their beliefs and that is probably where the new Pope is coming in. The new pope is totally changing everything so much that Catholics are leaving the church and Bishops are saying really bad things about him that I'm not going to discuss here.
They want to change the Church, you want to change the Pope... what does that have to do with Hilary Clinton's views of Catholics or Christians.
What you said about her faith was simply untrue. What you are saying now is that she should be held accountable for the private mail of other people
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Donald Trump quoting "Adios America" and saying a judge's position isn't credible on the grounds that he's Mexican-American (born and raised in Indiana) sounds seethingly racist to me.
I don't believe Hillary Clinton is a poster here. So if you've been called names, that's a problem, but not really relevant.
The email specifically refers to forming organizations to change American Catholic positions, because the Catholic bishops were the leading mobilizers against Obamacare on the grounds that it mandates contraception provision. This is a political disagreement between two ideologically opposed factions. Disagreements between states and local branches of the church are age-old. The Holy Roman Empire and the Catholic Church even had various feuds over who was the real Pope based on it.
A 2000 year old organization adapts its beliefs in response to vast amounts of lapsed attendance. Shocker. I have no reason to believe Pope Francis was put in by the Clinton conspiracy, instead of the College of Cardinals making a decision to throw in a reformist who would improve the church's image after the PR disaster of the pedophilia scandal under Benedict.
He also, on matters of policy, has changed very little. Francis' difference with John Paul II and Benedict XVI has been one of tone rather than position. The frequently-whined-about anti-capitalism comments can be traced back to Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum in the late 1800s and have been church policy ever since, the church upholds distributism as its official economic ideology and considers capitalism part of the doctrinal sin of liberalism (defined differently in Europe than America). The climate change comments were prefaced by John Paul II also recognizing that it's a problem. And while his go-to response to the press on homosexuality is a popularity-seeking "we should focus on all of canon law rather than just this" side-step, he has not changed church doctrine there.
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Will Trump be offered coffee and cake at his next intelligence briefing? He was pretty rough on the people who have been telling him about the Russian hacking.
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If so, then there may be some who are doing that, but that's not what motivated me about looking at the deplorable views of some who have been emboldened by the Trump campaign.
I think Trump is directly guilty of inciting bigotry of several kinds.
That and not any sort of guilt by association is the problem.
Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas.
I don't think all (or even most) Trump fans are guilty of fostering these ideas nor do I wish to imply such a thing.
I do think it strange that people who aren't racist, xenophobic or misogynist are more or less comfortable with someone who says these kinds of things. I am guessing that they are willing to overlook those things in order to focus on what they see as the main point.
"Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas."
This sounds exactly like what you are doing with this thread - the word "Deplorable" came from Clinton's own mouth and now you're making this thread by "spreading those bigoted ideas". Clinton said the same kind of crap about Catholics and Christians. I see her as the next Hitler. You just don't want to see it.
Catholics are Christians.
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If so, then there may be some who are doing that, but that's not what motivated me about looking at the deplorable views of some who have been emboldened by the Trump campaign.
I think Trump is directly guilty of inciting bigotry of several kinds.
That and not any sort of guilt by association is the problem.
Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas.
I don't think all (or even most) Trump fans are guilty of fostering these ideas nor do I wish to imply such a thing.
I do think it strange that people who aren't racist, xenophobic or misogynist are more or less comfortable with someone who says these kinds of things. I am guessing that they are willing to overlook those things in order to focus on what they see as the main point.
"Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas."
This sounds exactly like what you are doing with this thread - the word "Deplorable" came from Clinton's own mouth and now you're making this thread by "spreading those bigoted ideas". Clinton said the same kind of crap about Catholics and Christians. I see her as the next Hitler. You just don't want to see it.
Catholics are Christians.
Depends where you find yourself in the Bible Belt.
Follow this link to find an alternative view from none other than the infamous Jack Chick (he can explain it all for you!):
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
[disclaimer: the above views are not my own! I don't do conspiracy theory, even if it claims to be the true word 'o God]
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Donald Trump quoting "Adios America" and saying a judge's position isn't credible on the grounds that he's Mexican-American (born and raised in Indiana) sounds seethingly racist to me.
Again you only have half the story, as usual. He was a member of La Raza so it was a conflict of interest. I'm done with this subject because I'm tired of having to repeat myself.
A 2000 year old organization adapts its beliefs in response to vast amounts of lapsed attendance. Shocker. I have no reason to believe Pope Francis was put in by the Clinton conspiracy, instead of the College of Cardinals making a decision to throw in a reformist who would improve the church's image after the PR disaster of the pedophilia scandal under Benedict.
He also, on matters of policy, has changed very little. Francis' difference with John Paul II and Benedict XVI has been one of tone rather than position. The frequently-whined-about anti-capitalism comments can be traced back to Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum in the late 1800s and have been church policy ever since, the church upholds distributism as its official economic ideology and considers capitalism part of the doctrinal sin of liberalism (defined differently in Europe than America). The climate change comments were prefaced by John Paul II also recognizing that it's a problem. And while his go-to response to the press on homosexuality is a popularity-seeking "we should focus on all of canon law rather than just this" side-step, he has not changed church doctrine there.
Wikileaks points to them trying to change the Catholic Church. I also don't care if you believe or don't believe the new pope is part of the Clinton Catholic Project (as I call it) - I believe it and that is all that matters to me. I know all I need to know about Clinton's corruption. They have no right to change anyone's religion. If you think what Clinton and her cronies were doing is ok, then that is why we are on different sides. Trump all the way.
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Darn, I flunked.
If so, then there may be some who are doing that, but that's not what motivated me about looking at the deplorable views of some who have been emboldened by the Trump campaign.
I think Trump is directly guilty of inciting bigotry of several kinds.
That and not any sort of guilt by association is the problem.
Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas.
I don't think all (or even most) Trump fans are guilty of fostering these ideas nor do I wish to imply such a thing.
I do think it strange that people who aren't racist, xenophobic or misogynist are more or less comfortable with someone who says these kinds of things. I am guessing that they are willing to overlook those things in order to focus on what they see as the main point.
"Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas."
This sounds exactly like what you are doing with this thread - the word "Deplorable" came from Clinton's own mouth and now you're making this thread by "spreading those bigoted ideas". Clinton said the same kind of crap about Catholics and Christians. I see her as the next Hitler. You just don't want to see it.
Catholics are Christians.
I know what the hell they are. And you're no better if you think what Clinton was doing to the Catholics was ok. Have her come after the Lutherans and you'd be screaming your freaking head off. The more crap I see that she's had her dirty hands in, the more I do believe she's satan. She must think she is God - to think you can change the biggest religion there is just because it isn't what you believe in - SCREW HER and the horse she rode in on! Probably a TROJAN horse!
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Darn, I flunked.
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If so, then there may be some who are doing that, but that's not what motivated me about looking at the deplorable views of some who have been emboldened by the Trump campaign.
I think Trump is directly guilty of inciting bigotry of several kinds.
That and not any sort of guilt by association is the problem.
Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas.
I don't think all (or even most) Trump fans are guilty of fostering these ideas nor do I wish to imply such a thing.
I do think it strange that people who aren't racist, xenophobic or misogynist are more or less comfortable with someone who says these kinds of things. I am guessing that they are willing to overlook those things in order to focus on what they see as the main point.
"Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas."
This sounds exactly like what you are doing with this thread - the word "Deplorable" came from Clinton's own mouth and now you're making this thread by "spreading those bigoted ideas". Clinton said the same kind of crap about Catholics and Christians. I see her as the next Hitler. You just don't want to see it.
Catholics are Christians.
Depends where you find yourself in the Bible Belt.
Follow this link to find an alternative view from none other than the infamous Jack Chick (he can explain it all for you!):
https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
[disclaimer: the above views are not my own! I don't do conspiracy theory, even if it claims to be the true word 'o God]
Yeah, I've seen Jack Chick's cartoons, and the Lovecraft/Cthulhu parody of one of them that he sued over.
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Wow.
This shows zero interest in what is true, fair or just. It attributes to Clinton words written and read by others and then works up paroxysms of righteous indignation. Talk about guilt by association!
To rant on as if the lie that has been parroted from right wing propaganda were gospel.
Please read the link you posted. It's absolutely clear that none of those emails were written by Clinton.
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If so, then there may be some who are doing that, but that's not what motivated me about looking at the deplorable views of some who have been emboldened by the Trump campaign.
I think Trump is directly guilty of inciting bigotry of several kinds.
That and not any sort of guilt by association is the problem.
Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas.
I don't think all (or even most) Trump fans are guilty of fostering these ideas nor do I wish to imply such a thing.
I do think it strange that people who aren't racist, xenophobic or misogynist are more or less comfortable with someone who says these kinds of things. I am guessing that they are willing to overlook those things in order to focus on what they see as the main point.
"Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas."
This sounds exactly like what you are doing with this thread - the word "Deplorable" came from Clinton's own mouth and now you're making this thread by "spreading those bigoted ideas". Clinton said the same kind of crap about Catholics and Christians. I see her as the next Hitler. You just don't want to see it.
Catholics are Christians.
I know what the hell they are. And you're no better if you think what Clinton was doing to the Catholics was ok. Have her come after the Lutherans and you'd be screaming your freaking head off. The more crap I see that she's had her dirty hands in, the more I do believe she's satan. She must think she is God - to think you can change the biggest religion there is just because it isn't what you believe in - SCREW HER and the horse she rode in on! Probably a TROJAN horse!
As I only mentioned that Catholics were also Christians, I have absolutely no idea why you're flying off the handle at me.
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