Electors are wavering in their support for Donald Trump

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I think NPVIC has kind of the right idea, but it's bad because it lets somewhat get elected without getting a majority of the vote, only a plurality, essentially making it one big nationwide first-past-the-post system.

I'm trying to walk her back through the consequences of what she's saying. I don't think there's really a better way to get through to most people other than making them aware of all the ramifications of their own opinions that they apparently haven't taken into account.

Really you don't thing a trump doj won't investigate everyone of them?
Saying they'll pay the fines is a bribe, telling them there's no punishment when there is is lying to them, and I'm sure bunch of those people's emotional letters could be tooken as intimidation.
I thought it was doubtful obama would do half the s**t he did but he did it. The guy in California who has he weed crop burnt every year by the FBI probably thought it was doubtful.

Go ahead take a chance, but your treading on rough waters. Better hope trumps doj isn't as spiteful as obamas doj.

I think if it went the other way and it was trump supports doing this she'd be pissed and accusing them of destroying democracy and being sore losers.
I don't even like trump that much more then Clinton, but this talk steams me because besides ignoring the system she's encouraging electors to ignore how the majority of their states voters voted.

She wants them to ignore their voters in favor of California or New York's voters.
She talks about slim majority why speaking in favor of Clintons over all slim majority in the popular vote. Hypocrisy hypocrisy
Most those states won with slim majority were the same slim majority Clinton has 48.ish vs 48.ish

California and New York got their votes, they have way more elctorial votes then most other states and they were over ruled. Now for them to push this is an upfront to the constitution, though what can one expect from the liberal side, they want to burn the constitution and live by mob rule

If trump lost I'd accepted it just like I did obama . I got upset and worried but I never challenge his legitimacy or pushed for a petition to change the electoral votes for Rom.

That's actually the sensible way to do it, not get all wrapped around the axle like one other person whose name I could mention.

Could very well be. With Trump we're getting the proverbial pig in a poke since he has no legislative track record to look at and see where he really stands on the issues. His antics have been more for the purpose to troll the electorate and cause outrage among the ultra-sensitive than anything.

Trump was the alternative to Hillary and something different since he is not part of the tiresome political establishment.
Because of that he could have come to a debate and "serial groped" Hillary on camera and still not lost many votes.
I voted for him to deny Hillary the whitehouse. I was going to vote third party but if enough people had done that instead of voting for Trump we'd be looking at president elect Hillary Clinton right now which to me would be the greater evil.

Also does she realize ted Cruz is a tea party extremist. He'd be way worse on health care and social security and other things he deems as entitlements the. Trump ever will.

Right, but little or none of that would compute with someone who disagrees with you. If it did they's share a similar opinion.

I think the letter isn't intended to threaten. It is just asking the electors to do something. But if they are going to change anything they would need to write a different letter to each state. Why would electors in Ohio change their vote to make people in New York in California happy?

Yes to both points.

My state is already in the blue column. So who would I write to anyway?

I suppose people from blue states should write to electors from a red state and explain the way that their state would be negatively impacted by a Trump presidency.

What are you talking about??! !! The OP says we should write to our electors, not other state's electors.

DOES ANYONE EVER PAY ANY ATTENTION TO ANYONE ELSE IN THIS SUB-FORUM???

I swear to Zeus most of what goes on in PPR is people talking past one another and liberals-this and Republicans-that and thoughtless, dismissive comments. Why do any of you even bother? Doesn't this exhaust you? Scrolling past all the B.S. to get to the actual content exhausts me.

Well most Clinton supports live in blue states. Notice all the protests are in blue states.

Writing their states won't change anything so they'd have to right red states and get them to betray their voters

This is obviously ridiculous. It was ridiculous when people proposed it in 2012 and it is ridiculous now.

The only way it would be remotely acceptable would be if territories adopted regulations to bind their electors to vote according to the popular vote before the Electoral College vote. While that would be good for America, the original vote was cast on the understanding that the Electoral College would cast their votes according to the vote in their territory, so I think that would still be a serious foul ball and a cause for a re-run of the election.

Hopefully by 2020 a majority of Electors will represent territories that compel them to vote along with the national popular vote. That will result in a fairer system than the current one. It would also be good to see all territories adopt the Alternative Vote.

I don't think that's what the original post is saying. I think the original post is saying that people from EACH state, who don't want Mr. Trump to be President, would write a letter to THEIR state's elector----so, in your example, if someone in Ohio voted for Mr. Trump, they would NOT write a letter.


Welp, it's a good thing, then, that there are many more fora on this site, that I'm sure you'd be happier, visiting / reading.

FINALLY, Dox, Jacoby, Raptor----and, now The_Walrus, has returned to our ranks!! PHEW----all is right with the world, now!! (That's NOT sarcasm!)

Oops, I forgot one: L_Holmes (I miss his posts, terribly, as well).

Truth in Democracy and standing up for civil liberties in a country, much like France, has been a shining light for Democratic ideals is never ridiculous and it's shame so many people think it is. I stand for Democratic ideals and will continue to do so even when ridiculed and especially when they are under threat and encourage anyone who feels the same not to be bullied or shamed out of voicing your concerns and if you think writing electors will help in a democracy you are free to write them and you should.