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23 Nov 2016, 6:04 pm

The way the world has developed and the way the modern world is now, i don't think that we actually need a new evil genius Hitler.
Were doing a pretty good job of messing the world up without a new Hitler.

A modern world of extreme capitalist celebrities, ruthless business men, corrupt politicians and fact twisting smear and slander spreading gutter snipe journalists replace those who were our kings, queens and aristocrats, of ages long past, so as to rule over all the rest of "humanity" in their arrogance, in their designed amoral godless and spiritually exempt consumer driven void.

We all read history in disgust, reading of the Nazi's vision of a master race. But is that not what we have now? Although perhaps not race supremacists but wealth supremacists? Although I wonder some times, is it coincidence that there are few and far between jewish celebrities...(apart from Polanski, although I personally see him more as a satanist than a jew)... And why is it that the political parties of the world that promote humanitarian policies over self interest are being undermined in the media?...

Perhaps i am wrong, perhaps there is nothing in all the crazy conspiracy theories about the connections between the nazi propaganda-ists and brain washers being embraced by the US government after the second world war and used to develop the US brain washing programs...

Although, again i start to wonder if the pro capitalist parties in the US have not simply used the nazi scientists to their advantage to make a machine of extreme capitalistic consumer exploitation, a machine that is designed to make maximum profit for those in control at the cost of everyone else...

Destroying anyone or thing that gets in its way, or should i say gets in the way of maximum profit... Bye Bye christianity (apart from good old consumerist xmas), bye bye political diversity (unless we can sell you a t-shirt), bye bye moral values and humanitarianism.

All so a few fat men can sit in their palaces of gold (Teeth) and feel like the gods (or pharoah's) of egypt while they watch over (oversee) the masses and foley in how the rest of civilization is nothing compared to them... but what world have they made for such a luxury?
A world of famines, poverty, drug addicts and hate. All for those few men to sit in their thrones. Shame...

I am not a religious terrorist or political activist. I even drink a certain brand cola and eat the occasional mac D's (although Vegetarian), I just wonder sometimes if the world has been taken over by extreme capitalist wealth supremacists while we were out. entertaining ourselves........going to the movies, playing console games...dreaming of being pop idols and meeting simon cowell... and shopping for the next super cool designer stretch genes that make us look like max wall... or knocking one out over a britney spears look alike porn star on our new super fast light wire connection...

is it just me or have we actually allowed this to happen? and now i have a horrible feeling that it is now too late...

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23 Nov 2016, 6:20 pm

^^^^that persists because of masses of right-winged tools who naively believe they too can be one of those rich fat old men sitting on those thrones lording it over their fellows. that is America's #1 fatal flaw, that de Tocqueville saw straightway when he was here studying us in the 1830s.

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23 Nov 2016, 7:17 pm

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Denying climate change, denying evolution...

I agree with the rest, but why is having different beliefs a reason for you to dislike someone?

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23 Nov 2016, 7:23 pm

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Denying climate change, denying evolution...

I agree with the rest, but why is having different beliefs a reason for you to dislike someone?

Denying facts is something that someone should not do. If you believe that the world is 6000 years old and and climate change is not happening, then I have no time for that person.

Plus, it's the President and Vice President who do not believe in either, as well as their appointed heads of government. Do people really want science to go down the drain and NASA to be defunded (which contrary to Trumps "promises", will amount in many lost jobs)?

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23 Nov 2016, 7:51 pm

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Oh so racist Canada also has voter IDs!

Nearly all Canada citizens get a ID card covering public health care, meaning the issue is not the same that in US as I use that card to vote without needing a driver license.

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Islamists are far more powerful today than they were 15 years ago, they have to be stopped for Western Civilization itself is at stake.

Unless they get their hands on nuclear weapons Western Civilization is not at stake; they can't do enough damage to be real menacing. The real danger is the security obsession that come with fear of terrorists and the stupid acts we do to be more "safe"; like electing governments that will crush our rights and, in the end, our very lives.

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23 Nov 2016, 10:39 pm

Tollorin wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Oh so racist Canada also has voter IDs!

Nearly all Canada citizens get a ID card covering public health care, meaning the issue is not the same that in US as I use that card to vote without needing a driver license.

Jacoby wrote:

Islamists are far more powerful today than they were 15 years ago, they have to be stopped for Western Civilization itself is at stake.

The us has this thing called an id any citizen with their birth certificate and proof of address can get one for a small fee and it last like 10 years.

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23 Nov 2016, 11:29 pm

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But most Muslims still are not terrorists. In fact, most Syrians, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise, are the victims of terrorist fanatics.

Please have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_ ... His_own.22

But civilized people aren't supposed to act like that.

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23 Nov 2016, 11:33 pm

Jacoby wrote:

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Jacoby wrote:

Trump doesn't confuse the perpetrator of whatever issue with a specific demographic, leftist propagandists intentionally characterize it that to push their own ideological ends with the goal being racial division. Divide and conquer is the oldest strategy in the book. Most of the opposition to combating illegal immigration comes from big business who want to flood the labor market so wages are forever depressed, they run the media and control the narrative but those people that actually know Mexicans and other Hispanics know that a significant segment of them are some of the most ardently opposed people to illegal immigration because most of them did it the right way and it is their communities that are disproportionately effected. They try to paint any policy relating to immigration as racist even tho that is the policy on most of this planet, Mexico has extremely harsh laws towards illegal immigration and even Canada has tougher laws than we do. Oh so racist Canada also has voter IDs!

It's good that you are picking up that their are entire strains of Islam that are poisoned with jihadist ideology, the Salafists or Wahabbis dominate the Muslim world as the Saudis operate at the center of it. The Saudis are the biggest state sponsors of terrorism in the world, almost all the terrorist filth on this planet can be tied back to the Saudis and their promotion of their sick anti-Western extremist worldview. This is not an insignificant group of people, they are using their vast oil wealth to spread this ideology across the globe thru madrassas and mosques. This is what is meant by Political Islam and as long as it is allowed to hide behind the vestige of a religion the more and more it will spread.

But most Muslims still are not terrorists. In fact, most Syrians, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise, are the victims of terrorist fanatics.

I would agree for the most part but the reality is that the threat comes from more than just the people that pick up a gun or blow themselves up, it is the ideology behind it and we have to guard ourselves against this extremism. Those with passive extremist beliefs and sympathies toward fundamentalist Islam are a threat as well. Think of it this way, it wasn't enough for the allies to simply defeat Germany in WWII but we rather we needed to defeat Nazism at its very root. What the Middle East needs is deislamification like the Germans need denazification if we are ever to win this War on Terror because I think people are sorely mistaken if they think we are actually winning. Islamists are far more powerful today than they were 15 years ago, they have to be stopped for Western Civilization itself is at stake.

Nazism was just a political party, and a very young one at that, but Islam is a religion with millions of people devoted to it. Ridding Islam of its fanatical political element is one thing, but to rid the very religion from it's devout followers is quite another.

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24 Nov 2016, 3:07 am

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It's plainly obvious that the majority of the nation of Islam has nothing to do with terrorism and are against it.

Just as it's plainly obvious that the majority of Ireland is not a part of the IRA. But it is a fact that the majority of the IRA are Irish and do what they do in the name of Ireland. It's also a fact that most of the IRA are professed Christians and their actions are both nationality and religion motivated. The majority of IRA are Irish Christians. And if you are going to try locating someone with the IRA, you're going to be looking for an Irish Christian. This is just simply my pragmatic way of viewing things. For the record, not that it should make any difference, I am of Irish Christian heritage.

This is factually wrong but that's not important.

You're saying that it's factually wrong that the Irish Republican Army is Irish. Irish Catholics fighting against English Protestant occupation of Northern Ireland. OK guess I got that wrong.

The_Walrus wrote:

[It would be wrong, after a terrorist attack by the IRA, to start treating people differently just because they are Irish.

Of course it would be wrong.

The_Walrus wrote:

[It might be justified to start going after people who fit the description of the bomber ("short ginger man in his late 20s"), but yes, it would be bigoted to hold anti-Irish views because of the IRA.

You'd be looking for an Irishman or several Irishmen since we're talking about an organization that calls itself an army, rather than a lone bomber. Looking for one or likely several Irish people is inescapable. And of course it would be bigoted to hold anti-Irish views because IRA.

The point is, pointing out that the IRA are Irish, does not mean that all or most Irish are IRA. It means most IRA are Irish.

Do you see the difference?

There seems to be this knee jerk reaction, that if you refer to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria as Islamic, that's supposed to racist because it's calling everyone in Islam members of ISIS. So you refer to them as swarthy (like ginger haird follow) no wait if you include pigmentation that's also blatantly racist. Unless we're talking about gingers right? BTW, isn't calling a red haired person ginger supposed to be derogatory and insulting? And why did you stereotype someone who's Irish as a ginger? Do you see how ridiculous I find this PC police SWJ whatever knee jerk finger pointing accusing nonsense to be?

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24 Nov 2016, 9:37 am

EzraS wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

[It would be wrong, after a terrorist attack by the IRA, to start treating people differently just because they are Irish.

Of course it would be wrong.

The_Walrus wrote:

And of course it would be bigoted to hold anti-Irish views because IRA.

The point is, pointing out that the IRA are Irish, does not mean that all or most Irish are IRA. It means most IRA are Irish.

Do you see the difference?

There seems to be this knee jerk reaction, that if you refer to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria as Islamic, that's supposed to racist because it's calling everyone in Islam members of ISIS... Do you see how ridiculous I find this PC police SWJ whatever knee jerk finger pointing accusing nonsense to be?

You are being annoyed by something that no-one has said.

Let's look at the remarks that Trump is being criticised for:

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Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on

He didn't say "most terrorists are Muslims". He didn't say "ISIS are Muslims". He didn't say "we should ban terrorist suspects from entering the US". He said "we should completely ban Muslims from entering the US". There's no two ways about it - that's a bigoted statement.

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24 Nov 2016, 10:44 am

The_Walrus wrote:

EzraS wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

[It would be wrong, after a terrorist attack by the IRA, to start treating people differently just because they are Irish.

Of course it would be wrong.

The_Walrus wrote:

You are being annoyed by something that no-one has said.

Let's look at the remarks that Trump is being criticised for:

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Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on

And if anyone wanted to contest that since Trumps website says nothing on the matter of muslims, here is the video of Trump actually saying the words.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video

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24 Nov 2016, 11:37 am

The_Walrus wrote:

EzraS wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

[It would be wrong, after a terrorist attack by the IRA, to start treating people differently just because they are Irish.

Of course it would be wrong.

The_Walrus wrote:

You are being annoyed by something that no-one has said.

Are you already forgetting you essentially labeled me as a bigot making bigoted remarks?

The_Walrus wrote:

Let's look at the remarks that Trump is being criticised for:

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Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on

So how exactly are we supposed to determine which Muslims entering the United States are terrorists at this point in time? What's your plan? You said if it was IRA to look for a ginger. So what's your surefire plan for this? What's your better idea that can be implemented immediately?

Needless to say if a team of ISIS terrorists entered the US and set off a "dirty bomb" nuke, then everyone would be complaining that tighter security measures hadn't been put in place.

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24 Nov 2016, 11:46 am

Heavens, no! What a ridiculous statement.

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24 Nov 2016, 11:56 am

Trump is an idiot who has been hoodwinked by conservative republicans into being the 'friendly face' (I write that with a true disgust churning in my guts) behind their anti-progressive agenda. Conservatives knew there is no way modern american society would have voted them into power so they found an opportunity in him.

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24 Nov 2016, 12:50 pm

EzraS wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

EzraS wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

[It would be wrong, after a terrorist attack by the IRA, to start treating people differently just because they are Irish.

Of course it would be wrong.

The_Walrus wrote:

You are being annoyed by something that no-one has said.

Are you already forgetting you essentially labeled me as a bigot making bigoted remarks?

The_Walrus wrote:

Let's look at the remarks that Trump is being criticised for:

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Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on

This
Their solution is just let them come in and kill hundreds of Americans then deal with it by pushing for gun bans. Maybe that's why they don't want border control or vetting of people form the Middle East. So they can push their progressive angenda which just doesn't fly with the populace unless it's pushed on top of dead people

If I was a Muslim who wasn't extremist I'd be like yeah better to wait and have a vetting program then let terrorist in who might kill me or very least kill others and make even more people fearful of muslims.

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24 Nov 2016, 1:02 pm

Lol, Blaire...

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