This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does no
Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Everyone, of course, except Noah and his kin, and two of each animal.
Personally, I don't think it's fair to kill millions of innocent children and animals, but who am I to say?
But they werent innocent. All of those millions of folks who were Noah's contemporaries who got drowned in the Flood were all sinners, and corrupt, and like that. Thats why God got fed up with the human race. So he picked the one innocent man around to spare to keep the human line going. The one virtuous man. Thats how the story goes.
But here's the thing.
God (if he exists) presumably created all of us. And we are all mortal.
So even if we live to be a hundred and die peacefully of old age- we still die.
So we are all destined to be God's "murder victims". Correct?
So (forget about the Flood etc) all humans, and all other living things are destined to be God's murder victims. So by definition any God would be the greatest murderer possible.
So by definition any deity you could imagine would be by definition of being the creator of the Universe be in constant violation of the "Golden Rule" by being a mass murderer.
Except there is nothing in the golden rule about murder, and death isn't inherently evil.
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Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Everyone, of course, except Noah and his kin, and two of each animal.
Personally, I don't think it's fair to kill millions of innocent children and animals, but who am I to say?
But they werent innocent. All of those millions of folks who were Noah's contemporaries who got drowned in the Flood were all sinners, and corrupt, and like that. Thats why God got fed up with the human race. So he picked the one innocent man around to spare to keep the human line going. The one virtuous man. Thats how the story goes.
But here's the thing.
God (if he exists) presumably created all of us. And we are all mortal.
So even if we live to be a hundred and die peacefully of old age- we still die.
So we are all destined to be God's "murder victims". Correct?
So (forget about the Flood etc) all humans, and all other living things are destined to be God's murder victims. So by definition any God would be the greatest murderer possible.
So by definition any deity you could imagine would be by definition of being the creator of the Universe be in constant violation of the "Golden Rule" by being a mass murderer.
Except there is nothing in the golden rule about murder, and death isn't inherently evil.
Do unto others...?
If murder doesnt violate the golden then nothing does.
Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Everyone, of course, except Noah and his kin, and two of each animal.
Personally, I don't think it's fair to kill millions of innocent children and animals, but who am I to say?
But they werent innocent. All of those millions of folks who were Noah's contemporaries who got drowned in the Flood were all sinners, and corrupt, and like that. Thats why God got fed up with the human race. So he picked the one innocent man around to spare to keep the human line going. The one virtuous man. Thats how the story goes.
What about all the little babies? We they guilty sinners who deserved to die?
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This topic is really difficult
Does anyone deserve to die? ...................no
Do anyone deserve to live, is that "a right", anything we could claim?................... also no
Still, at some moments, it feels that times stops, that God stops Time, that He takes that effort to stop Time, quite an effort it is, so that one moment, we can escape from the business of everyday life, and have a look at heaven
Like during Christmas, that's coming soon
I'm just a damn old believer, despite the Gnosticists and Atheists on this forum
Looking forward for Christmas
Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Everyone, of course, except Noah and his kin, and two of each animal.
Personally, I don't think it's fair to kill millions of innocent children and animals, but who am I to say?
But they werent innocent. All of those millions of folks who were Noah's contemporaries who got drowned in the Flood were all sinners, and corrupt, and like that. Thats why God got fed up with the human race. So he picked the one innocent man around to spare to keep the human line going. The one virtuous man. Thats how the story goes.
What about all the little babies? We they guilty sinners who deserved to die?
You would have to ask the grown ups who told me the Noah story back when I was I child! Lol!
I suppose the infants would have been innocent victims of the flood. Oops!
Allowing people to die is not the same as killing people.
If all people were cured from whatever killed them, there would be so many people on the earth that there would not be enough for us all to eat.
Then we would starve to death, and you would just say that God was evil because He allows people to starve.
You do not understand death. Death is not in and of itself evil. We just think it is because we feel lonely when someone we love dies.
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If all people were cured from whatever killed them, there would be so many people on the earth that there would not be enough for us all to eat.
Then we would starve to death, and you would just say that God was evil because He allows people to starve.
You do not understand death. Death is not in and of itself evil. We just think it is because we feel lonely when someone we love dies.

I would complain....that God was allowing people to starve??????
Thats hilarious.
Why would I complain about that?
If God designed us to be immortal then we all wouldnt NEED to eat anything. Food scarcity wouldnt be an issue.
Dude..he is GOD..he could do anything. Ergo he could have designed us all without planned obsolescence (the built-in expiration date) - made us to be immortal. But he choose not to do that. Ergo...by choosing to make us mortal...he in effect kills us. No way around that.
Im not actually trying to argue that "god is evil".
My point is that you cant judge any god you may postulate as existing with the same moral yardstick as you judge a human (like by using the Golden Rule, or the Ten Commandments, or by anything else). The rules that might apply in a resident of the Universe just cannot apply to a supernatural creator of that entire universe. But making that kind of judgement is just what the OP is trying to do.
My post was addressed to the OP, not to naturalplastic.
If Gnostic Bishop can claim that not curing people is evil, Gnostic Bishop would also claim that allowing people to starve to death is evil.
My apologies for not reading the whole thread before posting. It has gotten long and I only have three hours online, not all day every day like I wish I had.
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Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Everyone, of course, except Noah and his kin, and two of each animal.
Personally, I don't think it's fair to kill millions of innocent children and animals, but who am I to say?
But they werent innocent. All of those millions of folks who were Noah's contemporaries who got drowned in the Flood were all sinners, and corrupt, and like that. Thats why God got fed up with the human race. So he picked the one innocent man around to spare to keep the human line going. The one virtuous man. Thats how the story goes.
But here's the thing.
God (if he exists) presumably created all of us. And we are all mortal.
So even if we live to be a hundred and die peacefully of old age- we still die.
So we are all destined to be God's "murder victims". Correct?
So (forget about the Flood etc) all humans, and all other living things are destined to be God's murder victims. So by definition any God would be the greatest murderer possible.
So by definition any deity you could imagine would be by definition of being the creator of the Universe be in constant violation of the "Golden Rule" by being a mass murderer.
Except there is nothing in the golden rule about murder, and death isn't inherently evil.
Do unto others...?
If murder doesnt violate the golden then nothing does.
God is immortal, he may very well want to die.

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but if death isn't inherently evil, what about the death of a child?
sorry if the question is not on topic
I come up with the question because I have here a book of A. Platonov, "Tsevengur". It is about communist Russia, a book from the 1930's. They have abolished Christianity. Now they have Communism. But they have a problem with mortality. Not mortality as such, but in the book a child is sick, very sick, and dies. And they try, but fail, and then one of the Communists replies: "well, as a result of Communism it lived a day longer than it would without". But of course they know it's nonsense
The typical English rendering of one of the Mosaic commandments is "thou shalt not kill" but according to Hebrew scholars, this is a poor translation that leads people into confused thinking.
The same system of commandments requires that the faithful kill transgressors of various rules (e.g., sorceresses.)
A more precise English translation is "thou shalt not murder" with murder understood to be unlawful killing.
Given a system that recognizes lawful and unlawful killing and that defines the will of God as the source of law, the idea that God can be accused of murder is untenable.
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sorry if the question is not on topic
I come up with the question because I have here a book of A. Platonov, "Tsevengur". It is about communist Russia, a book from the 1930's. They have abolished Christianity. Now they have Communism. But they have a problem with mortality. Not mortality as such, but in the book a child is sick, very sick, and dies. And they try, but fail, and then one of the Communists replies: "well, as a result of Communism it lived a day longer than it would without". But of course they know it's nonsense
The problem with all this postulation is it's trying to just isolate the dying child and God from all the rest of the world and make conclusions based just on that, but you can't, because everything is interconnected.
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