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04 Feb 2017, 10:23 am

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Kraichgauer and Raptor are always at it; it's like they're buddies for life. Their bond is their supposed disdain for each other.

I just think some people just like to argue for the fun of it.

Either that, or they argue because they feel a need to validate their views on things. For me, it's some of both, though way more of the latter. As much as I hate to admit it, I have an almost pathological need for validation. I actually envy people who don't give a crap what others think, because I'm very much not that. I care way too much. It drives me insane too.

I think that one person you mention is boycotting me.....again
Validation? No, more like some people are just natural born flak magnets and I'm a flak gunner.

Who, Kraichgauer or kraftiekortie?
You know exactly who I mean. If I said who I'd be accused of "baiting".

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Anyway, since "gunning" down "flak magnets" seems to be your calling, couldn't it be argued that doing so validates your existence as a "flak gunner"?

More primal than that. More like popping balloons with a cigarette, something that's just hard to resist doing. :twisted:

So now we know what you do for fun on the weekends.

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04 Feb 2017, 10:35 am

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I thought maybe he wants to put himself in the position of being in charge and setting the tone.

That's ironic coming from you.

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04 Feb 2017, 11:15 am

Let me bring up the idea of labeling actions rather than people. Apparently, current practice requires us to choose our words carefully; if the word which best describes an action has been used frequently as an insult, that's no good. Fair enough, since there's a Thesaurus full of words to run through as each becomes less meaningful and more valent.

There are certain standard trolling practices. Someone is sure to have created a numbered list. Maybe we can refer to that? If we could get a copy of that Russian psyops handbook section on discussion boards, that would be the ultimate reference material.

Anyway, if we can agree on what tactics constitute trolling, we could just use some neutrally valent yet painfully accurate term to describe them, and link to the detailed description. Save time, effort, frustration and electrons, and improve the readability of the pages.

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04 Feb 2017, 11:30 am

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Here's a link to the guidelines I follow:

http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=204613

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04 Feb 2017, 11:37 am

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jrjones9933 wrote:

Here's a link to the guidelines I follow:

http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=204613

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As mentioned previously, those rules keep the forum from becoming uninhabitable, and are not even designed to require genuine debate. Encourage, to be sure, but we can all see how that is going and form our own opinions.

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04 Feb 2017, 11:48 am

jrjones9933 you do realize, I hope, that on a message board once you identify a troll you can elect NOT to read thier posts, making them virtually invisible. That's right, just don't read thier posts. If you read their post knowing that they are trolls then whatever negative affect they have on you can be considered self inflicted. Likewise, if you knowingly put your hand over the burner of a stove-top and burn the s**t out of your hand it's your fault.

Trolls will be trolls and trollery is an artform that will only develop further when so many people insist on being angered and all butthurt by their antics. By telling a troll how terrible they are you are giving them what they came for and ensuring that you'll get more.

Trolls don't bother me one iota and I consider them the comic relief of any thread. I've been label a troll and took it as a compliment, considering who the accusers have been.

In a nutshell, don't bother putting too much science into troll detection and analysis. You'll use up your time and the trolls will enjoy the attention.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:05 pm

I respectfully disagree. We've had that policy since the dawn of internet trolling: Just ignore them.

Let's be real, that's Mom and teacher-style advice. It hasn't worked.

I'm probably impervious to arguments that I'm wasting my time opposing inevitability. If I haven't opposed six inevitable things before lunch, I feel like my day is off to a slow start. Also, I disagree with the premise and the analysis, but even if I did, I'd do what I do regardless.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:14 pm

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I respectfully disagree. We've had that policy since the dawn of internet trolling: Just ignore them.

Let's be real, that's Mom and teacher-style advice. It hasn't worked.

What is the remedy then, hunt them down and kill them?

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04 Feb 2017, 12:16 pm

Not responding to this type of thing, remember. You can see what I actually advocate in my posts.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:18 pm

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I don't mind forum trolls either, and I agree, their antics can be pretty hilarious. However, once a troll starts going out of their way to stalk people and make their lives a living hell, then that's going too far. Smartassery is one thing, outright harassment is another.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:25 pm

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Let's find a way back to talking.

There will be stuff that's difficult to ignore directed at anyone who posts in this thread, I predict. I recommend ignoring it here as a test.

What can we agree on?

I put it to you that the fun of name-calling, and even the fun of recalling old insults, is less than the fun of novel, creative, and perhaps biting characterizations of individual actions. Actions, and patterns of actions, but not people.

Here's a helpful hit for you personally. Stick to the subject someone discussing, instead of your predilection to critique the people who post here (and elsewhere).

That's a great idea. Think about the great in-depth conversations we can have if we do just that.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:27 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

Not responding to this type of thing, remember.

But you chose to read it just like you're reading this.

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You can see what I actually advocate in my posts.

If only you'd cut to the chase and tell us what you advocate in one single post without all the tap dancing. Preferably what you advocate will be something plausible and not just wishing and hoping for things that are, for all practical purposes, unobtainable.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:41 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:

EzraS wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

Here's a helpful hit for you personally. Stick to the subject someone discussing, instead of your predilection to critique the people who post here (and elsewhere).

That's a great idea. Think about the great in-depth conversations we can have if we do just that.

It's a Utopian dream - and that's from someone who has been an advocate (you might even say an activist) on this board for playing the ball, and not the man, for close to a decade.

The rules would have to be enforced far more stringently than they presently are, and that would be anathema to lively debate. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't continue trying, and it certainly doesn't mean I'll stop pointing it out every single time someone does it.

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04 Feb 2017, 12:51 pm

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How do you effectively harass someone online? Social media where you're dealing with people in your REAL life, yes, but that's a horse of a different color. Most trolls do not have the skill to track someone down beyond the one website where they are harassing you. That is unless you've given out too much information about yourself. It gets back to simply NOT reading thier posts. You cannot be harassed ONLINE if you don't read harassing posts. Really, it can't be made any simpler.

I won't mention names but I've seen at least two instances here which I had no involvement of one person pleading with another to leave them alone. "Please leave me alone!" Pfft...get a grip. I had to laugh. To me that would be the same as standing in the middle of a pool of sharks and cutting yourself. If they didnt take notice of you before they certainly will after you start bleeding.

Sooner or later someone will come along and accuse me of defending trolls.

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04 Feb 2017, 2:34 pm

I suggest reading the short, classic essay, A Rape In Cyberspace, for an interesting perspective. It's old, but current trends suggest they had the basic idea right.

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04 Feb 2017, 2:38 pm

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What is a Utopian dream? A higher percentage of reasoned debate to tactical obfuscation? People seem to have decided what I want from this thread, even though I mostly keep asking if we can agree to this or that. Of course, you can define what I want so that it is impossible. That succeeds in what, exactly?

Name calling is not the only way to fill a thread with BS, and it is hardly the only topic of my concern.

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