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22 Feb 2017, 10:21 am

Automation makes immigration completely antiquated, there isn't a labor shortage but rather a surplus on greedy rich a**holes.

maybe people should start holding Silicon Valley's feet to the fire because they're planning on leaving as soon as they can so they can be untouchable.



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22 Feb 2017, 10:51 am

Trust me: immigration to the United States is not an "antiquated notion" to a Nicaraguan.



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22 Feb 2017, 11:01 am

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Trust me: immigration to the United States is not an "antiquated notion" to a Nicaraguan.


If 50% of the jobs are going to be replaced by machines in the next 10-20 years then it's an antiquated notion, the doors must be shut as we're full to capacity already

if we ever have a GBI then it would also come with severely restricted immigration



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22 Feb 2017, 11:02 am

Jacoby says international economics is a zero-sum game where nations are constantly competing with each other in situations that are never win-win. I believe this view is called mercantilism.

But is Jacoby correct here?


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22 Feb 2017, 11:05 am

Mercantilism was the primary European economic mode before the advent of capitalism.



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22 Feb 2017, 11:06 am

http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon- ... ed-2016-12

This article suggests that the Tech giants don't even realize that the poor exist.

Sort of like Autistics who have no clue as to how normal people think. They assume everyone is autistic just like them.

Tech giants are too busy working on stuff they find interesting to think about anything else.



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22 Feb 2017, 11:07 am

The main problem with Americans----and this is conveyed to me by some very intelligent Europeans----is that we only think of ourselves, and we possess a relative lack of knowledge of the rest of the world.

With Trump, we will become more isolationist--and, thus, isolated from the world.

This might reap some short-term benefits---but, in the long term, this just might be a disaster.

Because we live in the world, not on our own island.



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22 Feb 2017, 11:12 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Mercantilism was the primary European economic mode before the advent of capitalism.


I'm referring to the thinking that went behind those policies, which were essentially that trade was a zero-sum game and all nations are competing over resources, with winners and losers.

This is the type of thinking Jacoby espouses. Is Jacoby correct?


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22 Feb 2017, 11:14 am

Not in the real world.

In an ideal (American) world---maybe.



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22 Feb 2017, 11:20 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The main problem with Americans----and this is conveyed to me by some very intelligent Europeans----is that we only think of ourselves, and we possess a relative lack of knowledge of the rest of the world.

With Trump, we will become more isolationist--and, thus, isolated from the world.

This might reap some short-term benefits---but, in the long term, this just might be a disaster.

Because we live in the world, not on our own island.


It can't be helped. This must be allowed to play out. Many Americans are angry and scared, and believe the elites--among whom they would include these "very intelligent Europeans" of yours--have been lying to them this whole time. They can only trust their gut, and those their guts tell them to trust. How long until they can be convinced otherwise is unclear.

But Jacoby's mercantilism, which is mirrored by many people in the Trump Administration, suggests more war is on the horizon, and who know how that will play out, beyond lots of dead people and destroyed lives?


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22 Feb 2017, 11:21 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Not in the real world.

In an ideal (American) world---maybe.


I agree.


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22 Feb 2017, 11:24 am

Let me emphasize that I love our country, and love what it stands for.

But our greatness will be eroded should we become isolationist. Our reputation will suffer even more than it has.

I'm not advocating a "one world government." I'm just advocating being "friends" with other nations, rather than placing ourselves in a consistently adversarial position.



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22 Feb 2017, 11:26 am

There's no use beating a dead horse about automation. Robots , however, have a long, long way to go before they can replace skilled trades; not to mention that when things go wrong with a system, they still need a human to troubleshoot it.

I think its possible to have a manufacturing resurgence, but it would require a new industry such as nanotechnology or space exploitation to emerge. So far, very few entities have to means to even go into space, and the only nanomanufacturing we do is the production of processors.


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22 Feb 2017, 11:28 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Let me emphasize that I love our country, and love what it stands for.

But our greatness will be eroded should we become isolationist. Our reputation will suffer even more than it has.

I'm not advocating a "one world government." I'm just advocating being "friends" with other nations, rather than placing ourselves in a consistently adversarial position.


You're quite right that isolationism is NOT the way to go, but how can we assure Americans that support Trump of their security, economic and otherwise?

And following that up, why do they feel so insecure in the first place?


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22 Feb 2017, 11:39 am

BTDT wrote:
http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valleys-prosperity-paradox-explained-2016-12

This article suggests that the Tech giants don't even realize that the poor exist.

Sort of like Autistics who have no clue as to how normal people think. They assume everyone is autistic just like them.

Tech giants are too busy working on stuff they find interesting to think about anything else.



Oh they know we exist and this is how they are preparing

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/ ... super-rich

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The fears vary, but many worry that, as artificial intelligence takes away a growing share of jobs, there will be a backlash against Silicon Valley, America’s second-highest concentration of wealth. (Southwestern Connecticut is first.) “I’ve heard this theme from a bunch of people,” Hoffman said. “Is the country going to turn against the wealthy? Is it going to turn against technological innovation? Is it going to turn into civil disorder?”



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22 Feb 2017, 11:43 am

MDD123 wrote:
There's no use beating a dead horse about automation. Robots , however, have a long, long way to go before they can replace skilled trades; not to mention that when things go wrong with a system, they still need a human to troubleshoot it.


Why wouldn't a machine be able to troubleshoot? AI will far surpass human intelligence in the not so distant future. 10 or 20 years down the line things are going to normal that you never thought possible.