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13 Apr 2017, 4:15 pm
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And the "opposition" in Syria hasn't killed vast amounts of civilians? You have to take in account who Assad is fighting against, ruthless al-Qaeda and ISIS militants with the backing of the Gulf Arabs and the West for years now. There is no moderate or secular fighting opposition force on the ground in Syria, Assad is far far more moderate and secular than ISIS you would agree right? The Muslim Brotherhood is as liberal as it gets with the opposition, a group that should be declared a terrorist organization in the US and already is considered one in quite a few countries. How do you fight a war against these people? There is no such thing as a clean war, humanitarian war is an oxymoron if there ever was one so to hold someone to a standard we don't hold ourselves to reeks hypocrisy and ulterior motives. People make this big deal about 'chemical weapons' but we kill more people in drone strikes, we sat around watched ISIS wage genocide but chemical weapons are the red line? Chemical weapons that the terrorist opposition has used as well, pretending like they're innocent victims is a dangerous game.
People can make these declarative statements about how Assad is a monster and that he has to go but unless you can come up with a workable solution to achieve that then you are just needlessly flapping your gums. Do you want to invade and occupy Syria? Would you prefer ISIS/other Islamic militants control of all of Syria rather than Assad? My ONLY interest is to eradicate the terrorists that pose a threat to the US, I have no interest in policing the world and intervening in every civil war.
People can make these declarative statements about how Assad is a monster and that he has to go but unless you can come up with a workable solution to achieve that then you are just needlessly flapping your gums. Do you want to invade and occupy Syria? Would you prefer ISIS/other Islamic militants control of all of Syria rather than Assad? My ONLY interest is to eradicate the terrorists that pose a threat to the US, I have no interest in policing the world and intervening in every civil war.
Of course the Syrian opposition have killed loads of civilians. But we've made it a priority to get rid of them. So far, Assad has convinced everyone that he's indispensable, when in fact he should be put on that priority list, as well. Sure, we probably won't see democracy in Syria anytime soon. But who knows, maybe Assad has an officer under him who we could work with.
Bombing violent religious fanatics is one thing, killing families who just want to survive in peace is quite another.
Are you questioning if those civilians - including children - are really innocent civilians?
"Of course the Syrian opposition have killed loads of civilians. But we've made it a priority to get rid of them."
No you have not!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! You've made it a priority to support them!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! There's zero evidence that Assad carried out the chemical attack. It seems most likely that the chemicals were in the possession of the organ eaters and were bombed by the Syrian army.
(Sigh) In a recent interview, Assad questioned if the children in the video were even dead. A guy that heartlessly cold is more than capable of gassing civilians.
And how do you know Assad didn't do it? Because he's such a great humanitarian?
And while I freely admit in my heart, I really wish Assad was gone, but in my head, I know what would follow would be an even worse catastrophe than what happened in Iraq. I admit, I have no idea what to do, save to lean on Putin in order to make Assad lay off of civilians.
13 Apr 2017, 4:29 pm
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13 Apr 2017, 5:39 pm
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Read what I've written above. I guess he heard the mainstream media's claims that sarin had been used and then wondered why the terrorist medical workers were handling the children with only a disposable mask. I wouldn't put anything past the US and their allies.
You keep talking about 'gassing civilians'. For one, you have no evidence Assad did it. And secondly he had no motive at all, he was winning the war and knew the only thing that could get the US to turn on him would be a chemical attack. Demand that your government pulls out of the Middle East and all the other places around the world and focuses on its own problems.
You keep talking about 'gassing civilians'. For one, you have no evidence Assad did it. And secondly he had no motive at all, he was winning the war and knew the only thing that could get the US to turn on him would be a chemical attack. Demand that your government pulls out of the Middle East and all the other places around the world and focuses on its own problems.
Assad is going out of his way not to destroy ISIS, as he needs them to pose as the greater evil compared to him. The people he's been killing are civilians who are tired of his tyranny and flirtation with terrorists. And if the individuals who provided aid for the hurt and dying were members of terrorist organizations, then God bless them for at least that one act of kindness.
Why are you just repeating a theory made up by another user? Did Assad give them US weapons and Toyota trucks?
Do you ever learn anything? Blah blah blah, no the people's he's killing are organ eating head choppers. Yes, civilians have been killed via both sides of the war. He would have no reason at all just to randomly attack civilians with chemical weapons, so stop repeating that lie. The 'kind' Oscar winning individuals you swoon over are the 'white helmets', who are connected to Al Nusra Front, aka Al Qaeda (remember them?), the whole reason you went into the Middle East in 2001 allegedly. You have no understanding of the situation at all and are just repeating unproven claims, complete lies and random theories. I would point you in the right direction if you were even interested in truth or reality but I know you don't care.
13 Apr 2017, 5:48 pm
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13 Apr 2017, 5:50 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Read what I've written above. I guess he heard the mainstream media's claims that sarin had been used and then wondered why the terrorist medical workers were handling the children with only a disposable mask. I wouldn't put anything past the US and their allies.
You keep talking about 'gassing civilians'. For one, you have no evidence Assad did it. And secondly he had no motive at all, he was winning the war and knew the only thing that could get the US to turn on him would be a chemical attack. Demand that your government pulls out of the Middle East and all the other places around the world and focuses on its own problems.
You keep talking about 'gassing civilians'. For one, you have no evidence Assad did it. And secondly he had no motive at all, he was winning the war and knew the only thing that could get the US to turn on him would be a chemical attack. Demand that your government pulls out of the Middle East and all the other places around the world and focuses on its own problems.
Assad is going out of his way not to destroy ISIS, as he needs them to pose as the greater evil compared to him. The people he's been killing are civilians who are tired of his tyranny and flirtation with terrorists. And if the individuals who provided aid for the hurt and dying were members of terrorist organizations, then God bless them for at least that one act of kindness.
Why are you just repeating a theory made up by another user? Did Assad give them US weapons and Toyota trucks?
Do you ever learn anything? Blah blah blah, no the people's he's killing are organ eating head choppers. Yes, civilians have been killed via both sides of the war. He would have no reason at all just to randomly attack civilians with chemical weapons, so stop repeating that lie. The 'kind' Oscar winning individuals you swoon over are the 'white helmets', who are connected to Al Nusra Front, aka Al Qaeda (remember them?), the whole reason you went into the Middle East in 2001 allegedly. You have no understanding of the situation at all and are just repeating unproven claims, complete lies and random theories. I would point you in the right direction if you were even interested in truth or reality but I know you don't care.It's quite a bit more than a theory.
And how do you know you understand the situation in Syria?
13 Apr 2017, 6:09 pm
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14 Apr 2017, 8:34 am
JohnPowell wrote:
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Read what I've written above. I guess he heard the mainstream media's claims that sarin had been used and then wondered why the terrorist medical workers were handling the children with only a disposable mask. I wouldn't put anything past the US and their allies.
You keep talking about 'gassing civilians'. For one, you have no evidence Assad did it. And secondly he had no motive at all, he was winning the war and knew the only thing that could get the US to turn on him would be a chemical attack. Demand that your government pulls out of the Middle East and all the other places around the world and focuses on its own problems.
You keep talking about 'gassing civilians'. For one, you have no evidence Assad did it. And secondly he had no motive at all, he was winning the war and knew the only thing that could get the US to turn on him would be a chemical attack. Demand that your government pulls out of the Middle East and all the other places around the world and focuses on its own problems.
Yes, it was rational, as rational as the US nuking Japan, the Japan already lost and the nukes were probably unnecessary - but it was the safest choice in their POV to end the war with the least US casualties.
And he was confident no one would retaliate; Trump was so strongly believed to be Russia's best friend and his speeches leaning way more to Assad in the syrian conflict - The whole Pro-Assad/Russia camp got totally overjoyed upon Trump's victory in presidency.
The Trump strike was a total unexpected surprise move, it was in no one's calculations including in Assad's calculations.
Any analyst claiming today to have foreseen the Trump attack is a big liar. No one ever imagined that it could happen.
"Probably unnecessary". That's sick. They just nuked Japan to test them. It's OK when the US nukes people though eh? What if someone said Assad gassed those people to limit army casualties? Be consistent.
You're just repeating random conspiracy theories made up by the media and Co. He had no reason to launch the attack and was winning the war.
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"Probably unnecessary". That's sick. They just nuked Japan to test them. It's OK when the US nukes people though eh? .
The nuking was sick, I was not saying it's ethically justified in any form, but I am talking from purely US military POV - the pro-nuke americans often repeat in their arguments that it was necessary to win the war with the least casualties, it is their most common argument. The Assad may have thought the same for his sarin attack
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What if someone said Assad gassed those people to limit army casualties? Be consistent
But this exactly why Assad may have gassed this area. I am being very consistent in this point, you get it now?
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You're just repeating random conspiracy theories made up by the media and Co. He had no reason to launch the attack and was winning the war.
You're still denying the fact that....no one expected Trump would do a such thing.
Hell, Hezbollah people in the area close to mine were almost celebrating for Trump's win in the elections.
EVERY ONE of them thought that Trump means a guarantee for the US to switch sides or at the very least to step aside in this conflict, no one ever imagined that he would bomb the Assad side one day.
This guy is totally unpredictable, he may ally with Assad one day, who knows.
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