Europe is returning to Fascist ideology

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26 Feb 2018, 4:59 am

Mikah wrote:

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Why - WHY WHY WHY! are people REFUSING to learn from history? Do people really LIKE Fascist ideology? Do people WANT dictatorship instead of democracy?

The ones who didn't learn from history are the morons who thought mass immigration was a brilliant idea. Disrupt the ethnic, cultural or religious demographics of a territory and you get ethnic, cultural or religious conflict. It's not rocket science.

We should definitely kick all the immigrants out of the UK. We should start with the Angles, the Saxons and the Normans. Look at how the Angles and Saxons have disrupted the religious demographics by displacing all the Druids.

Look at how the Normans have interfered with the language by introducing all those fancy French words.

You are correct to notice that cultures, religions and peoples do not mix all that much, that they displace one another, often amidst conflict.

So are you going to drive all the Muslims out of the UK with conflict?

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26 Feb 2018, 5:30 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Mikah wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Mikah wrote:

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Why - WHY WHY WHY! are people REFUSING to learn from history? Do people really LIKE Fascist ideology? Do people WANT dictatorship instead of democracy?

You are correct to notice that cultures, religions and peoples do not mix all that much, that they displace one another, often amidst conflict.

So are you going to drive all the Muslims out of the UK with conflict?

Where did Mikah suggest that?
He simply made the point that different cultures/religions can create conflict...
Humans are tribalistic by nature...

Sometimes people simply make observations...
Do you deny what he says?

How to overcome the problem is another question...
(Yes I think it is a problem also)...
Any suggestions? :wink:

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26 Feb 2018, 7:20 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:

My question:

Why - WHY WHY WHY! are people REFUSING to learn from history? Do people really LIKE Fascist ideology? Do people WANT dictatorship instead of democracy?

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Matteo Salvini: far-right leader who wants to be Italy’s PM rails against immigrants ahead of national election

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/a ... s-pm-rails

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26 Feb 2018, 7:21 am

Pepe wrote:

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Mikah wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Mikah wrote:

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Why - WHY WHY WHY! are people REFUSING to learn from history? Do people really LIKE Fascist ideology? Do people WANT dictatorship instead of democracy?

You are correct to notice that cultures, religions and peoples do not mix all that much, that they displace one another, often amidst conflict.

So are you going to drive all the Muslims out of the UK with conflict?

Where did Mikah suggest that?

Mikah didn't say that. I said it. I never said Mikah said it.

Mikah doesn't have to participate in conflict if he doesn't want to. If he wants to be displaced by Muslims that's his business.

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26 Feb 2018, 7:23 am

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Were non-european empires less fascist though in history? Look at the history of Ottomans, Arab empires, Japan and China.

Japan was fascist. I think the Ottomans were more imperial, as is modern China.

Modern China isn’t imperial. They are revolutionaries who over threw the emperials who withdrew to Twain. Hence the current conflict dating back to ww2. That’s why Twain isn’t part of China but China claims it is.

No it was the Kuomintang who withdrew to Taiwan. Emperor Puyi went to Manchuria, then Russia, then back to China. At no point did he set foot in Taiwan.

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26 Feb 2018, 7:46 am

The genocides the Ottomans did to Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and Assyrians do scream fascism.

The genocides happened due to a failed coup d'etat by Young Turks, and the Sultan accused these group of giving hand in the coupe.

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26 Feb 2018, 9:52 am

The ironic thing is that the Ottomans were in steep decline by 1915.

I believe Trump, frequently, imitates a fascist quite well.

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26 Feb 2018, 10:02 am

Since about the 1980s in the United States, at least, politics have largely been "sport-ified" with political-party colors, mantras and slogans, and loyalty tests ("don't think outside the party box").

Now, it seems, such a belief system is comically Orwellian (or Pythonian given how many partisan voters exclaim proudly that they "are all individuals!").

Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1789 that “I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in any thing else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all. […] I am neither federalist nor antifederalist; that I am of neither party, nor yet a trimmer between parties.” --to Francis Hopkinson.

In other words, Jefferson begged us to think for ourselves. Don't let some paid political party hack convince you otherwise.

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26 Feb 2018, 10:14 am

Jefferson had wonderful theories and elevated desires.

Did he always follow them in "real life?" No.

Nevertheless, he saw the expression of these ideas as being better than the non-expression of them. He knew his faults.

To call him a hypocrite is simplistic, really.

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26 Feb 2018, 10:16 am

apus apus wrote:

"Poland's recent decline into totalitarian fascist dictatorship [...]"

I'm speechless. What a nonsense.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ing-rights

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European commission tells member states that Polish government has put fundamental democratic values at risk

Poland is a totalitarian regime, or the EU would not react as they currently do.

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26 Feb 2018, 11:52 am

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Poland is a totalitarian regime, or the EU would not react as they currently do.

"Do as we demand, Poland, or we'll sanction you and remove your right to take part in votes".

But it's the Poles who are being totalitarian? :roll:

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26 Feb 2018, 1:09 pm

Pepe wrote:

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Sure, but the rest of us don't live that way. In true American tradition, we're mutts.

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You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXjqTyQuq4w

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26 Feb 2018, 2:13 pm

Chronos wrote:

sly279 wrote:

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Were non-european empires less fascist though in history? Look at the history of Ottomans, Arab empires, Japan and China.

Japan was fascist. I think the Ottomans were more imperial, as is modern China.

Merriam Webster Dictionary wrote:

Definition of imperialism

1 : imperial government, authority, or system
2 : the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power,

By definition 2, I believe Taiwan, Tibet, and those in the western regions of China would consider China to be quite imperial.

Then so is Russia, USA, Europe, India , Pakistan and of other nations.

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26 Feb 2018, 2:16 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

sly279 wrote:

Chronos wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Were non-european empires less fascist though in history? Look at the history of Ottomans, Arab empires, Japan and China.

Japan was fascist. I think the Ottomans were more imperial, as is modern China.

No it was the Kuomintang who withdrew to Taiwan. Emperor Puyi went to Manchuria, then Russia, then back to China. At no point did he set foot in Taiwan.

I said the emperials or the fraction that supported the emperor. As i understand it China was in a civil war when ww2 broke out and they agreed on a truce to fight the Japanese of which the revolutionars moa etc broke and pushed the empierials out of China .
That’s what we’re taught in American schools. And it’s very brief part of our education

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26 Feb 2018, 2:22 pm

adifferentname wrote:

thinkinginpictures wrote:

Poland is a totalitarian regime, or the EU would not react as they currently do.

"Do as we demand, Poland, or we'll sanction you and remove your right to take part in votes".

But it's the Poles who are being totalitarian? :roll:

"Hey er we're just going to criminalise historians and end judicial independence."
"The rules of our club say you can't do that."
"wtf so much for the tolerant left I thought you liked freedom?"

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26 Feb 2018, 2:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

The ironic thing is that the Ottomans were in steep decline by 1915.

I believe Trump, frequently, imitates a fascist quite well.

No more so then Obama only difference is Obama was your guy so it was ok.

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