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13 Mar 2018, 7:22 am

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But I digress: the point is this as follows: while I'm no fan of Nazi ideology, you're advocating 1984-style thought and speech crimes. Not a fan.


Interesting analogy...
And yes, if I had to meet a Nazi or thinkinginpictures in a dark alley, I'd rather it be the Nazi... :mrgreen:

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At best you are just a very very stupid person at worst you are evil. If someone had wrote the right wing equivalent of this then the thread would already be locked.


Personally, I think he is just a very naughty boy who is playing silly buggers...
Why do you take him so seriously?
What he is saying is absurd...

Letting him affect you emotionally means he wins...
Don't let him win... :wink:


1. Am I evil because I don't like nazis? WTF??!

2. I can barely believe what I am witnessing here... a moderator advocating for bullying.

I'm seriously considering moving out of this thread.


You were literally advocating for murder.


No. I was advocating the death penalty. I was advocating laws, legal stuff. I would never advocate murder. Murder is defined as the illegal killing of another human being. I can never endorse that.



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13 Mar 2018, 7:26 am

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You don't have to like nazis. You just can't execute everyone you don't like.


I never said I wanted everyone I don't like to be executed. Never.


You said you wanted to execute all the nazis.

Someone called you evil because of that.

You took that as them saying you're evil because you don't like nazis.

The dichotomy then is either you want someone executed, or you like them.

Why should I then not expect that to extend to other people you don't like?


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No. I was advocating the death penalty. I was advocating laws, legal stuff. I would never advocate murder. Murder is defined as the illegal killing of another human being. I can never endorse that.


the death penalty for thinking and saying sh***y things. Which is not currently illegal. Basically, you want to make non-illegal things illegal, so that people saying things you don't like will get killed.


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13 Mar 2018, 7:26 am

Okay that's pedantic. You do realise if you give the state the power to kill people for their beliefs it could easily be turned on you right?



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13 Mar 2018, 7:31 am

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Okay that's pedantic. You do realise if you give the state the power to kill people for their beliefs it could easily be turned on you right?


It depends on the beliefs and the people in power at any given moment.



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13 Mar 2018, 7:33 am

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You don't have to like nazis. You just can't execute everyone you don't like.


I never said I wanted everyone I don't like to be executed. Never.


You said you wanted to execute all the nazis.

Someone called you evil because of that.

You took that as them saying you're evil because you don't like nazis.

The dichotomy then is either you want someone executed, or you like them.

Why should I then not expect that to extend to other people you don't like?


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No. I was advocating the death penalty. I was advocating laws, legal stuff. I would never advocate murder. Murder is defined as the illegal killing of another human being. I can never endorse that.


the death penalty for thinking and saying sh***y things. Which is not currently illegal. Basically, you want to make non-illegal things illegal, so that people saying things you don't like will get killed.


Sorry, but I need some good reasons why making nazi ideology illegal and subject to the death penalty, should be evil.

The evil ones are the nazis. Not the ones (like myself) who wants to illegalize nazism.



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13 Mar 2018, 7:40 am

Nazis are not the only evil thing in the world. Not all evil things are Nazism.

Something else that's evil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

Opposing something bad does not axiomatically make you good.


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13 Mar 2018, 7:40 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
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You don't have to like nazis. You just can't execute everyone you don't like.


I never said I wanted everyone I don't like to be executed. Never.


You said you wanted to execute all the nazis.

Someone called you evil because of that.

You took that as them saying you're evil because you don't like nazis.

The dichotomy then is either you want someone executed, or you like them.

Why should I then not expect that to extend to other people you don't like?


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No. I was advocating the death penalty. I was advocating laws, legal stuff. I would never advocate murder. Murder is defined as the illegal killing of another human being. I can never endorse that.


the death penalty for thinking and saying sh***y things. Which is not currently illegal. Basically, you want to make non-illegal things illegal, so that people saying things you don't like will get killed.


Sorry, but I need some good reasons why making nazi ideology illegal and subject to the death penalty, should be evil.

The evil ones are the nazis. Not the ones (like myself) who wants to illegalize nazism.


The Nazis don't exist anymore so you get to decide who is or isn't a Nazi and then you get to kill them, you want to ban political parties lock up their supporters and take away peoples freedom but wonder why you get criticised?



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13 Mar 2018, 7:46 am

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The Nazis don't exist anymore so you get to decide who is or isn't a Nazi and then you get to kill them, you want to ban political parties lock up their supporters and take away peoples freedom but wonder why you get criticised?


The nazis do exists. Neo-nazis are very prevalent in modern day society. In Denmark we have the Danish National Socialist Movement (DNSB) and other countries have similar organizations with the "national socialist" in the name of the organizations (please note the use of socialism is not the same as real socialism, it is right wing, not actual socialism).

Why should they be allowed to exist?

Also, I am not just being criticised for my opinions. I can handle critique, but I can't handle bullying.

When someone says he'd rather meet a nazi than me, that is bullying.



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13 Mar 2018, 7:49 am

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Nazis are not the only evil thing in the world. Not all evil things are Nazism.

Something else that's evil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

Opposing something bad does not axiomatically make you good.


Making thoughts a crime is not neccessarily evil.



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13 Mar 2018, 7:51 am

Nazis are not that popular overall. Everybody that is an authoritarian, fascist or conservative or is leaning those ways are not a Nazi.

How is it going to be decided who gets to decide who is thinking Nazi thoughts?.

A lot of non nazis will be killed because the Nazi label will be a convenient way for people to get rid of political, business rivals or people they just do not like.

This will just increase the popularity of Nazism because it will make martyrs out of them.

So the way to get rid of Nazism is to decide a group you do not like and kill them off just like the Nazis. (smh)

If they act out on their belief punish them for their actions.


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13 Mar 2018, 7:52 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
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The Nazis don't exist anymore so you get to decide who is or isn't a Nazi and then you get to kill them, you want to ban political parties lock up their supporters and take away peoples freedom but wonder why you get criticised?


The nazis do exists. Neo-nazis are very prevalent in modern day society. In Denmark we have the Danish National Socialist Movement (DNSB) and other countries have similar organizations with the "national socialist" in the name of the organizations (please note the use of socialism is not the same as real socialism, it is right wing, not actual socialism).

Why should they be allowed to exist?

Also, I am not just being criticised for my opinions. I can handle critique, but I can't handle bullying.

When someone says he'd rather meet a nazi than me, that is bullying.


Neo Nazis are not real Nazis though and Neo Nazis are not a threat to society the Danish National Socialist Movement has an estimated 1000 people they pose no threat yet you want to kill them for wrongthink and you think you are a victim. The Nazis by the way were absolutely socialist they controlled the industry of their nation.



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13 Mar 2018, 7:54 am

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Nazis are not that popular overall. Everybody that is an authoritarian, fascist or conservative or is leaning those ways are not a Nazi.

How is it going to be decided who gets to decide who is thinking Nazi thoughts?.

A lot of non nazis will be killed because the Nazi label will be a convenient way for people to get rid of political, business rivals or people they just do not like.

This will just increase the popularity of Nazism because it will make martyrs out of them.

So the way to get rid of Nazism is to decide a group you do not like and kill them off just like the Nazis. (smh)

If they act out on their belief punish them for their actions.


Being a member of an organization with the name "nazi" or "national socialist" or denying or endorsing holocaust should be sufficient to decide they are nazis.



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13 Mar 2018, 7:54 am

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Making thoughts a crime is not neccessarily evil.


Yes. It. Is.


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13 Mar 2018, 7:56 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
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Nazis are not that popular overall. Everybody that is an authoritarian, fascist or conservative or is leaning those ways are not a Nazi.

How is it going to be decided who gets to decide who is thinking Nazi thoughts?.

A lot of non nazis will be killed because the Nazi label will be a convenient way for people to get rid of political, business rivals or people they just do not like.

This will just increase the popularity of Nazism because it will make martyrs out of them.

So the way to get rid of Nazism is to decide a group you do not like and kill them off just like the Nazis. (smh)

If they act out on their belief punish them for their actions.


Being a member of an organization with the name "nazi" or "national socialist" or denying or endorsing holocaust should be sufficient to decide they are nazis.



I still cannot believe you actually want holocaust deniers killed. They should be mocked not murdered.



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13 Mar 2018, 8:00 am

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The Nazis by the way were absolutely socialist they controlled the industry of their nation.


That doesn't make it socialist.

Marxism is socialism, because the workers own the means of production.

So far, no countries have practiced marxism. Though Denmark had the shared corporations (Andelsforeninger), where the farmers shared the surplus evenly, according to individuals rather than capital.

Denmark is close to marxism, thus closer to socialism than any other country in the world.

Btw. the nazis in Germany did not control the corporations. The corporations chose by their own free will to negotiate and cooporate with the nazis in order to earn money.



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13 Mar 2018, 8:02 am

Censoring any ideology whatsoever, no matter how horrible you think it is, will only make it cooler. Excuting people associated with the ideology is the ultimate censorship, and therefore following such an ideology is the ultimate coolness.


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