Is horseshoe theory an overrated concept?

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31 Mar 2018, 12:49 am

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Don't you guys have a Tory government at the moment? If that's the case than the British right isn't doing much to protect free speech.

The conservative party only cares about protecting the interests of the upper class and maintaining power. They do not value free speech either.

Yes. This is the Horseshoe Theory. Now you're getting it!

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31 Mar 2018, 12:58 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

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Don't you guys have a Tory government at the moment? If that's the case than the British right isn't doing much to protect free speech.

The conservative party only cares about protecting the interests of the upper class and maintaining power. They do not value free speech either.

Yes. This is the Horseshoe Theory. Now you're getting it!

I actually knew it already.

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Both are anti freedom and thus authoritarian. However I think the left wing / right wing thing is silly I think people and ideologies are far too complex to define so simply.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:07 am

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In what way does the right have more authoritarian tendencies?

Right now in the western world it is the left that wants to take away peoples rights.

I'm guessing that you are white, straight and male.

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Its the left who support imprisoning people for tweets.

It's the right that wants to punish women for having abortions.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:12 am

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Private companies cannot kill you, private companies cannot take away your children, private companies cannot imprison you.

Tell that to the people who suffered during the American Invasion of Iraq. The oil industry generated that war by funding the George W. Bush presidential campaign.

I've explained what plutocracy is again and again ... and yet you still need me to spell it out for you every time. It's like you're stuck in political normieland. Is the red pill too hard to swallow?

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31 Mar 2018, 1:14 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

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In what way does the right have more authoritarian tendencies?

Right now in the western world it is the left that wants to take away peoples rights.

I'm guessing that you are white, straight and male.

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Its the left who support imprisoning people for tweets.

It's the right that wants to punish women for having abortions.

Some on the right want to punish women for having abortions that is true but that is because they consider a fetus to be a person and thus abortion to be murder so of course they want to punish them.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:15 am

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Private companies cannot kill you, private companies cannot take away your children, private companies cannot imprison you.

Yeah that's still the government though.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:18 am

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Honestly, I'm not against corporations. Some of my favourite products were made by corporations.

... but most of the actual work in those corporations is done by the employees, not by the CEOs.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:27 am

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Oh ... look. Dan has gone from /pol/ rhetoric to /pol/ memes. I ain't surprised.

"Aids Skrillex" and "Carl the Cuck" had a point. They weren't wrong.

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Some on the right want to punish women for having abortions that is true but that is because they consider a fetus to be a person and thus abortion to be murder so of course they want to punish them.

I've always found the anti-choice people to be hilarious.

A Zygote apparently has a soul ... but Middle Eastern people and poor people do not.

Even beef cattle are more humanlike than zygotes.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:39 am

They were wrong the idea that someone is privileged because they are straight white and male is obscene.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:43 am

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They were wrong the idea that someone is privileged because they are straight white and male is obscene.

The concept of privilege offends you eh?

Something isn't automatically wrong just because it offends somebody. Ironically, the right taught me that.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:45 am

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They were wrong the idea that someone is privileged because they are straight white and male is obscene.

The concept of privilege offends you eh?

Something isn't automatically wrong just because it offends somebody. Ironically, the right taught me that.

At what point did I say it offended me? The idea that half the population of a nation is privileged is laughable.

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31 Mar 2018, 1:52 am

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In what way does the right have more authoritarian tendencies?

Right now in the western world it is the left that wants to take away peoples rights.

I'm guessing that you are white, straight and male.

No don't say that. That's never won an argument in the history of the world.

If you hate the extreme right you should join them so you can discredit them by arguing poorly in their favour.

Not everyone on the left is an SJW but you've demonstrated that some of them are.

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31 Mar 2018, 2:05 am

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Honestly, I'm not against corporations. Some of my favourite products were made by corporations.

... but most of the actual work in those corporations is done by the employees, not by the CEOs.

I didn't say some of my favourite products were made by CEOs. I was referring to the corporation as a whole. A single worker can no more design and manufacture a smartphone than the CEO can.

The entire corporation is necessary to make the product, except for the marketing department. Those twits are useless.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:41 pm

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Why avoid global warming? A warmer Earth is a more productive Earth. The disaster is not warming, it is cooling.

Rapid warming and rapid cooling would both cause millions of dollars in property damage and take thousands of lives.

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When this warm period of our current ice age ends and we begin the next glaciation, the climate is going to get much colder, possibly very quickly. There will be massive food shortages that are completely unavoidable. Starvation will become the norm. The only thing that might cause more deaths than starvation will be the many wars over the rapidly dwindling amount of resources.

Anyone who isn't deadly afraid of cooling knows nothing.

The last ice age ended 11,000 years ago. The previous interglacial period lasted 28,000 years.

Gadzooks! The earth is going to freeze over in 17,000 years! The horror!

Pay no attention to the rapid warming which could kill most of humanity in one century!

Where do you get all that misinformaton?

We are in an ice age now. It began about 2.6 million years ago and will likely last for millions more years.

The last glaciation ended about 11,500 years ago plus or minus a couple of hundred years. We are now in an interglacial period known as the Holocene.

The previous interglacial period was called the Eemian and it lasted about 15,000 years. The Eemian was warmer than now.

For that matter, this is hardly the warmest part of the Holocene. That occurred about 9,000 years ago and coincided with our first steps toward civilization.

The best thing that could happen for humanity is for Global Warming to at least postpone the next glaciation for a few thousand years. The odds of that happening is minimal.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:44 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

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Why avoid global warming? A warmer Earth is a more productive Earth. The disaster is not warming, it is cooling.

Rapid warming and rapid cooling would both cause millions of dollars in property damage and take thousands of lives.

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The last ice age ended 11,000 years ago. The previous interglacial period lasted 28,000 years.

Gadzooks! The earth is going to freeze over in 17,000 years! The horror!

Too bad the Industrial Revolution didn't happen around the year 29,000 AD. The global warming and the next ice age would have cancelled each other out quite nicely.

But since we're in the middle of a warm period that means adding extra heat on top of that is going to cause the two to reinforce each other.

This ice age has to end before the next ice age can begin. Ice ages generally last from tens of millions of years to hundreds of millions of years. This ice age is only about 2.6 million years old.

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31 Mar 2018, 12:57 pm

kokopelli wrote:

Where do you get all that misinformaton?

Alright! You got me! (((George Soros))) pays me to say this sort of thing! :lol:

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For that matter, this is hardly the warmest part of the Holocene. That occurred about 9,000 years ago and coincided with our first steps toward civilization.

I did some research and I couldn't find any evidence of this. It seems like you just made it up.

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The best thing that could happen for humanity is for Global Warming to at least postpone the next glaciation for a few thousand years. The odds of that happening is minimal.

I could post some links to scientific studies which prove that global climate change will lead to food shortages, but you'll probably dismiss them as "fake news", so I won't bother.

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