Should we stop using the term "alt-right"?
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Actually the first line - that you spent a whole post focusing on - was deleted before you even posted. Since I forgot what it was even in reference to.
I never said other races can’t be racist, I said black power is also racist, so you’re talking to a brick wall now.
All I’m saying is the prominent race in a country (whatever race they may be - white, black, whatever) is the only one that can enforce supremacy if they so choose because they have the power to do so.
So, would you agree with that or do you want to try to actually argue the counter to that:
“A minority race can empose supremacy regardless of not being in seats of power.”
I never said other races can’t be racist, I said black power is also racist, so you’re talking to a brick wall now.
All I’m saying is the prominent race in a country (whatever race they may be - white, black, whatever) is the only one that can enforce supremacy if they so choose because they have the power to do so.
So, would you agree with that or do you want to try to actually argue the counter to that:
“A minority race can empose supremacy regardless of not being in seats of power.”
To say without truly meaning is possible, and that is your case. You see it as reacting to white supremacists, which makes you part of the problem. South Africa, whites were a minority and Apartheid happened -- shows that ethnic minorities can become political majority. Tutsi in Rwanda, ethnic minority, yet rule the nation. Proof that you don't need to be an ethnic majority to hold majority power, also proof that the majority ethnicity doesn't necessarily hold a majority of the power.
Oh, and speaking of supremacy, the Tutsi committed genocide against others in Rwanda. Nothing can be a better example of being more supreme than being able to commit genocide on the majority. Meanwhile, I have yet to hear Trump announce that he's going to commence genocide -- he simply doesn't have the power to do so (believe it or not, you live in a Democratic Republic -- the commander in chief is not an autocrat).
Now, I don't completely disagree. Affirmative Action keeps people shackled for political votes, in exchange for meager handouts, on the basis of ethnicity. I think you saw my post about that.
Do you see now, though? Hate is not good, and on a side note, anything is possible. If it can happen elsewhere on Earth, it can happen here. I'll also note that fighting hate with hate has historically lead to people like Hitler rising (NSDAP vs KPD, KPD violence and hatred was met by stronger reactionary hatred that the NSDAP utilized to pave their way to victory).
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-Stefán Karl Stefánsson
10 July, 1975 - 21 August, 2018.
Ok. Then my argument is wrong on that. I still don’t see how the minority of people can commit genocide or etc on the majority without the majority fighting back and crowding them out... I’ll take your word on that though.
Also, as stated - my view was never race, rather who holds power (in terms of seat and how the populace is made up). Thus why in my first post I tried to insinuate that in a parallel universe where black people are prominent and white people are a minority, black power would be just as bad as white power in the United States. It’s a human flaw - not a race one.
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Ok. Then my argument is wrong on that. I still don’t see how the minority of people can commit genocide or etc on the majority without the majority fighting back and crowding them out... I’ll take your word on that though.
Also, as stated - my view was never race, rather who holds power (in terms of seat and how the populace is made up). Thus why in my first post I tried to insinuate that in a parallel universe where black people are prominent and white people are a minority, black power would be just as bad as white power in the United States. It’s a human flaw - not a race one.
Also, as stated - my view was never race, rather who holds power (in terms of seat and how the populace is made up). Thus why in my first post I tried to insinuate that in a parallel universe where black people are prominent and white people are a minority, black power would be just as bad as white power in the United States. It’s a human flaw - not a race one.
Nuer vs Dinka in South Sudan. Both have committed genocide on local enclaves in an ongoing part of their civil war. Nuer are a minority in this instance.
You've established it as a race one, and even went to list atrocities and pinned the blame on the generic "white people." It's been race for you, and you've been hooked on hating white supremacists while promoting ethnic minority supremacy.
Would you be OK if I started promoting Han (the largest Chinese ethnic group) supremacy and called for them to "kill white" and "kill black"? I'd hope you wouldn't be okay with that, just as you're not okay with white supremacists wanting to gas us. Equally so, I am appalled that you're not equally against black supremacists calling for killing whites (evidence can be provided if needed). Just because they're not in power, doesn't make it any less wrong.
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"It’s not until they tell you you’re going to die soon that you realize how short life is. Time is the most valuable thing in life because it never comes back. And whether you spend it in the arms of a loved one or alone in a prison-cell, life is what you make of it. Dream big."
-Stefán Karl Stefánsson
10 July, 1975 - 21 August, 2018.
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Right now you’re just putting words in my mouth. The first post even said supremacy isn’t race based rather majority population and power based. So, there’s nothing to reply to.
Didn't put words into your mouth; you literally went over race earlier and for most of this. Friendly reminder that you're being forgetful. Inside, you know you've been proven to be incorrect and/or mistaken (giving you benefit of the doubt) and that you need to stop hating so much.
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-Stefán Karl Stefánsson
10 July, 1975 - 21 August, 2018.
Literally in my first post
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
“Minority power” at worst is tied to being JUST AS RACIST, but nothing beyond that ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD BE DUE TO BEING UNABLE TO GO BEYOND THAT INSTITUTIONALLY (IF THE TABLES WERE FLIPPED, THEY WOULD BE FLIPPED ALL THE WAY - HUMAN NATURE).
Either you lack reading comprehension or - I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt - you confused me with Serpentine.
Is white supremacy more dangerous in the states though?
Well, seeing as how white supremacists in the states statistically cause the most terrorist attacks and white people hold power while being the primary race - yes, in the United States yes.
However, if in a parallel universe a different race was in power in the US - I truly do think the tables would be flipped completely.
If there’s one thing I can be called it’s a pessimist regarding human nature overall.
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Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Literally in my first post
Either you lack reading comprehension or, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, you confused me with Serpentine.
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
“Minority power” at worst is tied to being just as racist, but nothing beyond that although that would be due to being unable to go beyond that institutionally (if the tables were flipped, they would be flipped all the way - human nature).
Either you lack reading comprehension or, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, you confused me with Serpentine.
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Well, what is the race that:
- enslaved people for many years in the US
- fought to maintain segregation in the US
- enacted genocide in numerous countries
The white race. That isn’t racist, it’s just facts. White supremacy has actually led to terrifying moments in history and could again if left unchecked. Minority supremacy (bringing it closer to home “asperger supremacy”) exists but really - where can it or has it ever led to? One clearly has had more impact than the other in a factual historical way.
- enslaved people for many years in the US
- fought to maintain segregation in the US
- enacted genocide in numerous countries
The white race. That isn’t racist, it’s just facts. White supremacy has actually led to terrifying moments in history and could again if left unchecked. Minority supremacy (bringing it closer to home “asperger supremacy”) exists but really - where can it or has it ever led to? One clearly has had more impact than the other in a factual historical way.
My argument was against your wrongful prejudice against whites, you believe that no other "race" has done this, and that minority supremacy exists but hasn't lead anywhere. Which I've proven you incorrect on that during this argument, even after you countered my points and said you did not believe it -- earlier you did refer to the US, but I provided outside examples that it's not just the white race, since you made it a race issue, and you denied that which I further proved that it did indeed happen in the world and then you decided to flip back to the US to avoid any further argument on the world stage after being disproved.
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"It’s not until they tell you you’re going to die soon that you realize how short life is. Time is the most valuable thing in life because it never comes back. And whether you spend it in the arms of a loved one or alone in a prison-cell, life is what you make of it. Dream big."
-Stefán Karl Stefánsson
10 July, 1975 - 21 August, 2018.
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Is there a tin foil hat smilie?
Okay man, haha, if you say so.
Okay man, haha, if you say so.
I'm sure you meant simile and not smilie, unless you were trying to write smiley. Either way, don't care at this point. You're just like every other racist, phobic, individual I've talked to over the years.
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"It’s not until they tell you you’re going to die soon that you realize how short life is. Time is the most valuable thing in life because it never comes back. And whether you spend it in the arms of a loved one or alone in a prison-cell, life is what you make of it. Dream big."
-Stefán Karl Stefánsson
10 July, 1975 - 21 August, 2018.
Hyeokgeose wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
Is there a tin foil hat smilie?
Okay man, haha, if you say so.
Okay man, haha, if you say so.
I'm sure you meant simile and not smilie, unless you were trying to write smiley. Either way, don't care at this point. You're just like every other racist, phobic, individual I've talked to over the years.
Basically just spelled it the way it does on here.
And you’re like every racist, phobic person who tries to deflect and dismiss bigotry by saying that calling it out is worse or “playing the victim” or by actually believing it’s worse in the US for white people. It’s a tactic David Duke was known for. To clarify, I’m not saying you’re on the same level as Duke - not even near.
