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24 Aug 2018, 5:25 pm

Asserting that everything that you don't like is evil and should be banned is evil and should be banned........


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25 Aug 2018, 10:44 am

Not that I consider this to be the "truth" but it is an interesting take on the subject of conformity. The more I see of the world the less I understand, and the more it seems that strange ideas should be considered*: Positive disintegration

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During this phase, existential despair is the predominant emotion. The resolution of this phase begins as individually chosen values begin to replace social mores that have been ingrained by rote and are integrated into a new hierarchy of personal values. These new values often conflict with the person's previous social values. Many of the status quo explanations for the "way things are," learned through education and from the social order, collapse under conscious, individual scrutiny. This causes more conflicts focused on the person's analysis of his or her own reactions to the world at large and of the behavior of self and others. Common behaviors and the ethics of the prevailing social order come to be seen as inadequate, wrong or hypocritical. Positive maladjustment prevails. For Dąbrowski, these crises represent a strong potential for development toward personal growth and mental health. Using a positive definition, mental health reflects more than social conformity: it involves a careful, personal examination of the world and of one's values, leading to the development of an individual personality.

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The second factor, the social environment (milieu) and peer pressure, constrains individual expression and creativity by encouraging a group view of life and discouraging unique thought and expression. The second factor externalizes values and morals, thereby externalizing conscience. Social forces shape expectations. Behavior and one's talents and creativity are funneled into forms that follow and support the existing social milieu. "My mom says we should always be aware of what our lawn looks like because we want other people to think well of us when they drive by." Because conscience is derived from an external social context, so long as society holds ethical standards, people influenced by the second factor will behave ethically. However, if a society becomes corrupt, people strongly influenced by second factor will not dissent. Socialization without individual examination leads to a rote and robotic existence (the "robopath" described by Ludwig von Bertalanffy). Individual reactions are not unique, they are based upon social contexts ("I cry at funerals and laugh at weddings—everyone does"). According to Dąbrowski, people primarily motivated by second factor represent a significant majority of the general population.


* See:Gödel's incompleteness theorems, Unobservable



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25 Aug 2018, 9:35 pm

When a particular society's mainstream culture and route of conformity becomes toxic or acidic to character and integrity, anyone with a twinge of authentic concern about such things probably will break away and even if they have strong pressure to keep conforming such as a strongly rewarding set of incentives they'll still find as many ways as they can to rebel, first safely and then increasingly boldly to test the waters and see if they actually have any external space to be their best selves. I suggest that route is likely because if that particular lightbulb switches on in you inauthentic living is like having that pebble in your shoe or that sock with bad stitching 24/7/365, and eventually it wins. The alternative feels like being strapped in a high chair as an adult, forced to wear a bib, and be spoon-fed baby food.


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