What do you as Autistics think about Affirmative Action

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Who said anything about terrorism?

Imagine you're a disenfranchised poor White boy from a poor neighborhood whose Liberal teachers keep telling you how all men are potential rapists, how all Whites are privileged from birth, etc... throughout your education... and then later notice this same virulent hate-mongering, on TV, in magazines, ... pretty much everywhere...

Would you not get angry when you are constantly being accused of being "privileged" when you're actually disenfranchised?

Would you not get angry when you are constantly being portrayed as a potential rapist, held back only by a flimsy layer of social norms?

Would all this institutionalized hate-mongering targeting you and your fellow White men / boys not make you very, very pissed-off?



I support the Men's Rights movement, which is desperately needed in a time when masculinity is under constant attack.

And while I do understand where incels & MGTOWs are coming from, I don't see either of them as a very constructive movement. They're a lot like Feminists, really, blaming others for their misfortune and trying to change the world with bitter, cynical campaigns... or simply disconnecting from mainstream society completely... all while refusing to engage in any meaningful form of self-improvement. It's easy to blame others if you can't get a girlfriend. It's much harder to work on yourself and to try to be a better man.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to be a teenage boy in an age where just looking at a girl longer than a few seconds could be labeled "sexual herassment". I wouldn't want to be a college student in a world where girls frequently falsely accuse a guy of rape as a form of "punishment" or because they regretted a decision made when drunk. Being a guy in your teens has become a whole lot tougher than it was when I was a teenager, and if you really don't understand where incels are coming from, you might want to check your empathy...



Tell that to the women and non-Whites who have all sorts of privileges because of their gender or race.

Most White men never experienced a iota of privilege in their lives... not today, not a century ago and not a thousand years ago.

Either way, the institutional discrimination of White men in favor of others is anything but equality. In fact, it is institutional racism & sexism in its purest form.

I'm sorry, but I don't know how to have a discussion with someone like you. I just can't see all this anti-white anti-male hatred you're talking about, so you seeing it everywhere just seems irrational and paranoid from my perspective. I don't know how to argue against that kind of irrationality. And honestly, people like you scare me. All that anger you describe above that you obviously deeply empathize with, it's frightening because of how often it leads to the kind of terrorism that I have experienced from angry "disenfranchised" men like Alek Minassian. This parallel makes me very uncomfortable. With that in mind, I will duck out of this discussion now.

You might want to check out this YouTube channel. It contains ample examples of the anti-White hate that is being perpetuated throughout the West.

This video would be a good start :





It is no more irrational to point out the obvious anti-male & anti-White hatred perpetuated throughout mainstream society than it is irrational to point out that the sky is blue on a bright, cloudless day.

Either way, start with watching some videos from the channel I just linked to. And come back when you have, so I can provide you some more sources if you truly care about understanding where I'm coming from.



When people feel they are discriminated and being victim of hate propaganda, they get angry. You understand that, right?

If you want to do something about that, you must start with listening to what they have to say. Trying to convince them that their experience of discrimination or being disenfranchised is an illusion, is not going to help anyone. It will only increase their anger, and widen the gap between you and them.

If you want to understand what drives people, you first need to take them seriously and stop insisting that their view of the world is inherently wrong. You must be willing to question your own biases. Only then can you truly understand people. And only then can you come to the objective truth... which often lies somewhere in the middle.

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I'm not going to watch your Alt-Right propaganda or read your response, I'm leaving the discussion now as I said because you make me very uncomfortable with your support of the Alt-Right. I won't be responding to you in other threads either for the same reason. I am willing to question my ideas, but I am not willing to embrace hate and bigotry to do it--so there is no point in further discussion between us.

Basically, you're saying you're unwilling to even try to empathise with people you don't understand because those people scare you. You refuse to even try to see things from their perspective and to see / treat them as normal, decent humans.

Such behavior is the very definition of xenophobia.



You say you are not willing to embrace hate and bigotry, yet the very attitude you display here in this thread is that of the purest, most unadulterated xenophobia.

Before you accuse others of hate and bigotry, just maybe you need to look in the mirror...

It’s wrong.

And here come the personal attacks and insults just because I said I don't think us furthering this discussion would be a good idea, proving my point for me and reinforcing the reason I would like to leave this discussion. You won't be getting any more responses from me, and if you keep attacking me personally I'll report you.

You're saying you're unwilling to furthering this discussion, to watch or read any sources I provide you or to otherwise try to see things from the perspective of "the other".

You say this is because "the other" frightens you.

That's literally what xenophobia means : the fear of "the other", the fear of "the alien"; the fear of people who are very different from yourself and the unwillingness to associate with them, learn about them or see them as decent humans because of that fear.

I'm genuinely sorry if you don't like what you see when I'm holding a mirror in front of you, but denial is not getting you anywhere.

We must first embrace our biases to be able to overcome them!

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Thank YOU for your support!Wow! My entire thesis reduced to 9 words! Thanks! It's a quote by Brian Sims, member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, 182nd District. Here's another:

So, in a nutshell, people who rail and rant against equal, merit-based treatment of women and non-whites are likely just reacting to reduction of their privileges and subjective sense of superiority over those same women and non-whites. Today marks the twilight of the Good Old White Boys' Club; a racist, sexist mindset that has been holding back women and non-whites solely for the thrill of power.

Posting links to White Supremacist and Conspiracy Theorist videos is not "holding up a mirror". It is instead a desperate attempt to impose an out-dated mindset on people who can think for themselves.

Enjoy your twilight years!

Statements like this would make sense in a world where all (or at least most) White men have lived lives of privilege.

They didn't.

Millions upon millions of White men throughout history lived the most miserable lives, in servitude to privileged elites.

Millions upon millions of White men worked their asses off as miners, farmers, garbage collectors, etc. to feed their families and give them a roof over their head.

Millions upon millions of White men have lived in abject poverty.

They did 1000 years ago.

They did 100 years ago.

They still do today.

Whites men, as a group, have never been a privileged elite.

Only a small minority of White men has historically had any privilege worth mentioning... as did a small minority of Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, ...

Today, Black woman, has far more privileges than the vast majority of Whites have had since the dawn of man. And that is NOT equality in any shape or form.

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You have engaged either the "Fallacy of Composition" (assuming that something true of part of a whole must also be true of the whole) or "Fallacy of Division" (assuming that something true of a thing must also be true of all or some of its parts).

Either way, it's just fallacy.

Enjoy your twilight years.

Whatever dude...

I'm going to do something more constructive than trying to argue with bigots.

Goodbye!

Historically, being white, no matter how poor, made you considered superior to non whites. In the Jim Crow south, if a wealthy black harmed, or even just offended even the poorest white man, that rich black man or woman was sure to get lynched. Blacks were denied access to segregated schools, long before anyone even thought it was possible for blacks to allegedly take college spots from whites. That's not even considering how blacks and others were left with inferior public utilities like restrooms.
Yes, most whites have been poor, but they could count on one thing - - they were considered better than non whites, and that meant all the world to them. That's why so many poor whites - or whites with more money but the same mindset - actually opposed civil rights legislation, and why they are against affirmative action.

I own a book collection with many books from the era 1850 to 1950. And among those I've read several books from especially the 1920s on this issue, that completely prove you wrong.

In fact, one of the main goals of eugenics was to weed out what was considered "defective" strains from the White race. Especially very low intelligence & high crime rates were criteria that made a particular bloodline considered "defective".

By no means were such "defective" individuals considered superior to Black intellectuals like Booker Washington.



Evidence please.



Yes, Blacks did typically have inferior facilities in the American South during segregation.

There were, however, many attempts to improve the education and overall living standards of Blacks, where Black & White intellectuals collaborated with the starting premise that equal living standards for both races would benefit both races, even in a segregated nation.

Note, however, that only some American states were segregated, and many Whites were living in Northern cities were living in conditions at least as bad as those of the average Southern Black.

Also, note that even during slavery, the health of Blacks was actually better than that of poor Whites, because slave owners cared a lot about the health of their slaves. After slavery was abolished, the health of blacks actually rapidly declined.



Where do you get this completely fallacious idea from?

You might want to read some sources actually published before WW2 on topics like race relations & eugenics if you want to get an idea of how White elites in America REALLY thought about these topics.

For example, are you aware of the fact that the immigration act of 1924 was designed to stop the influx of White immigrants from Europe? And are you aware of the fact that the reason for this, was because these often very poor & very uneducated people, who were considered significantly inferior to the average American and a strain on the American economy & living standard?

Just saying... I've been reading about this from books actually written around that time. Very enlightening!



The reason why so many poor whites are against "affirmative action", is because "affirmative action" is nothing but an Orwellian name for the discrimination of White men in favor of non-Whites & women.

The reason why so many poor whites are against "affirmative action", is because it makes them victims of institutionalized discrimination, when they're already a very vulnerable and often neglected group.

Your ideas about affirmative action are tainted by the far right, and not at all by actual historical facts. While affirmative action is hardly perfect, its' absurd to think whites are being pressed into poverty due to it. Poor whites have often always been poor, and to blame non whites for their situation is just a matter of finding a scapegoat.
You seriously think wealthier blacks had it better than other blacks in regard to whites? There is a plethora of historical records to back up that in the real world, they were just as vulnerable when confronted with white racism.
The fact that you question how badly blacks were treated prior to civil rights legislation reveals your prejudiced viewpoint coming into this thread.
Even if black and white intellectuals had worked to overcome racial divides, that hardly had any effect on the prejudiced electorates and state and national legislatures.