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14 Feb 2019, 9:54 am

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So common sense is now considered 'dishonest?' Moral crusaders that abandon logic, sure, lets see if we can find more of them to listen to. Lets analyse their arguments, women and men have no meaning, you can be a biological man and enter women's sports as long as you call yourself a woman yet they also insist that gender is a spectrum which is true, a spectrum of feminism and masculinity thus every single person has their own mixture of said qualities, so truly what the 'social science of gender' states is every single person has their own gender which makes gender science pretty obsolete, conclusion being that we are all individuals. Yet the reality is it takes a biological man and a biological woman to produce a child.

Or how about 'safe spaces'? Lets see, any phrase a person can say that another person can find offensive is 'hate speech'? And hate speech is assault:
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So words are 'physical attacks'? Anyone who may say something another doesn't like should be 'blocked' from speaking? That's going to get really complicated being we are all 'individuals' and no two people agree on everything. Also to include that some can find 'facts' as offensive, real logical play there.

Or how about we discuss forced diversity and call it equality yet to achieve such equal diversity we must resort to 'discrimination'. But we will also make the claim that discrimination is what we are fighting, another good argument warped in rational thinking.

Perhaps we should all consider these irrational arguments that drown themselves in contradiction and say hey.....but it's the 'moral' thing to do. Tell me how allowing men to take over women's sports or preventing people from presenting science and facts or having the right for free speech or discriminating on people by race and biological sex is 'taking the moral approach'.

*Or perhaps we should result to real violence and physically attack anyone whom opposes our beliefs, because that is truly the moral thing to do.

Those are the only arguments I have noticed to be screened out, the name is IDW, "Intelectual Dark Web" not "Irrational Dark Web"

Please take no offense, I'm not attacking you I'm attacking these arguements and would hope you don't consider any of these arguments as rational arguments. But seriously, these are the only arguments I have not heard mentioned on Rubin's show. Tim Pool has even insisted we need some forms of 'socialism' so I did not mean to include socialism, though in all fairness he said 'some forms of socialism', not the same as insisting we should become a socialist country.

Oh good, the "argument from sports". Didn't realize important social issue should be decided based on what sports you can play.

Deplatforming is also a form of speech. Free speech is a right to expression that cannot be repressed by THE GOVERNMENT. Not people also expressing themselves by not desiring to listen to your noise.



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14 Feb 2019, 11:06 am

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Oh good, the "argument from sports". Didn't realize important social issue should be decided based on what sports you can play.

Actually I just picked one argument, would you like me to present more information to show you the biological differences in men and women? I find it very insane that someone would insist the biological men are no different from biological women. The argument suggests that men are women with a penis, not according to biology. I've laid out arguments for it before that you never even commented on?
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Free speech is a right to expression that cannot be repressed by THE GOVERNMENT.

Yet some are fighting to allow the government to do just that and that was why I mentioned it.
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Not people also expressing themselves by not desiring to listen to your noise.

Not sure exactly what you mean here. True, people do not have to listen to things they don't want to listen to. Should people be able to prevent others from listening to someone they want to listen to? Let me ask you this, do you think it is ok for atheists to invade a church and yell over the pastor preventing the religious people attending from being able to hear what the pastor is saying, call me crazy but that sounds more like disturbing the peace, no one is forcing the atheists to attend the church.

Or, lets take you back to your college days(not sure if you are still in college), say a group of people enter the classroom to prevent the teacher from being heard. Would you agree that they have the right to prevent you from learning by 'boycotting' the classroom?


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Deplatforming is also a form of speech

Basically you are saying, it's ok to prevent people from free speech. ???



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14 Feb 2019, 11:29 am

In fact, you even ignored the majority of the argument there. Gender exists on a spectrum, every individual has their own mixtures of feminine and masculine qualities. So, as many genders exist as people on this planet and the people from the past and the people that will come in the future. These qualities also change as the individual lives their life, so it may have a science backing but it's basically a means of cheating the system so one can claim to be the opposite sex that they are without even considering the actual science involved.



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14 Feb 2019, 2:33 pm

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Basically you are saying, it's ok to prevent people from free speech. ???

If it's their platform, yes. That is different than your example of going to someone else's church and yelling over them. You don't necessarily have a right to a private venue. And you can't prevent people from expression in a public space.



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14 Feb 2019, 2:34 pm

Did we post the one where Joe Rogan calls black people apes yet?



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14 Feb 2019, 2:46 pm

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Did we post the one where Joe Rogan calls black people apes yet?

please post that one, I find it hard to believe because Joe Rogan isn't racist. He called all of us apes, the human species evolved from ape like creatures. To add, he has also had countless black people on his podcast including rappers like killer mike and many more.



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14 Feb 2019, 2:50 pm

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Basically you are saying, it's ok to prevent people from free speech. ???

If it's their platform, yes. That is different than your example of going to someone else's church and yelling over them. You don't necessarily have a right to a private venue. And you can't prevent people from expression in a public space.


It's not their platform when a speaker is invited to attend a university or college or public area to give a speech which is why you will notice in a lot of these occasions people who intentionally try to disrupt people from listening to the speaker get properly told to leave or escorted off by police, that touches on disturbing the peace. No one forced them to attend, they attended specifically to prevent someone from speaking while others wished to hear them speaking(disturbing the peace) In that particular case it's actually the speakers platform. It's just like you said, if you don't like it you do not have to listen(attend), to disrupt others that want to listen from being able to do so is disturbing the peace.

All I can say is put it to the test. Go to your local city hall meeting and try to disrupt them, it's a public space, yet if you are there to disturb you will be asked to remain silent or leave, if you do not do so you will be escorted out by police. If you resist you will be arrested for disturbing the peace.



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14 Feb 2019, 5:08 pm

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Andrew Yang talking about changes in labor, automation, etc.


hmmm. I made my post with this video before I noticed you posted it here. Then as I went to start to search for the pot debate episode on my TV youtube app it was already in my recommendation list, are these the newest episodes?



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14 Feb 2019, 5:18 pm

The only exception might be a university that gets government funding. But the Supreme Court just ruled that orphanages don't have to place children in the home of Jews or same-sex couples, due to their religious convictions, regardless of public funding. So I could just say that Jordan Peterson or Ann Coulter violate my sincere religious views!



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14 Feb 2019, 5:21 pm

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Did we post the one where Joe Rogan calls black people apes yet?

please post that one, I find it hard to believe because Joe Rogan isn't racist. He called all of us apes, the human species evolved from ape like creatures. To add, he has also had countless black people on his podcast including rappers like killer mike and many more.




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14 Feb 2019, 7:35 pm

AspE wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
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Did we post the one where Joe Rogan calls black people apes yet?

please post that one, I find it hard to believe because Joe Rogan isn't racist. He called all of us apes, the human species evolved from ape like creatures. To add, he has also had countless black people on his podcast including rappers like killer mike and many more.





An off-color remark he shouldn't have made, for sure. I'd certainly like to see the rest of the segment for full context. But I'm sure that enough for you.


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14 Feb 2019, 9:55 pm



Alex Jones said it happened, so it must be true! :lol:

BTW I searched Youtube for "Joe Rogan Planet of the Apes" and this is what came up so maybe that comment in this show in context? I don't want to listen to over 2 hours of his podcast to find out, though. Maybe someone else will.



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14 Feb 2019, 10:14 pm

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Alex Jones said it happened, so it must be true! :lol:

BTW I searched Youtube for "Joe Rogan Planet of the Apes" and this is what came up so maybe that comment in this show in context? I don't want to listen to over 2 hours of his podcast to find out, though. Maybe someone else will.


Lol, yea, Alex jones is known for presenting nothing but facts and logical arguments like 4 dimensional child raping aliens.

Thanks for finding the original video. I will watch it tomorrow and see what's up. The video of him making the comment is suspiciously short...24 seconds. Seems more than likely it's taken out of context but I will check into it, I've got nothing but time.



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14 Feb 2019, 10:21 pm

He did say it was a racist thing to say, and then he sympathizes with black under-representation in movies.



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15 Feb 2019, 8:30 am

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He did say it was a racist thing to say, and then he sympathizes with black under-representation in movies.

And then he goes on also giving blacks a lot of props. It was definitely taken out of context, the conversation was clearly not a racist attack on black people, they were just talking about black people. If anyone cares to verify for themselves it actually takes place within the first 15 minutes.

Race is a tricky thing though, just because you are black and in america doesn't mean that your family came from the American black slaves. And someone also made a good point about how 'African American' is not a good term for blacks that came from the slave trade, if you are born in america, you are simply an american no matter where your ancestors came from. There are white Africans, when they move from Africa to the US, they are technically African Americans