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Are You An Anarcho-Capitalist?
I'm an Anarcho Capitalist. 17%  17%  [ 2 ]
I'm considering Anarcho Capitalism. 17%  17%  [ 2 ]
No I'm not an Anarcho Capitalist. 67%  67%  [ 8 ]
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RushKing
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23 Mar 2019, 7:04 pm

Crimadella wrote:
Rojava has a government.

Rojava is not a state. It's an autonomous region.



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23 Mar 2019, 7:25 pm

Antrax wrote:
Do you believe we need a communist society for environmental reasons, or quality of life reasons?

Both,

Communism would allow us to significantly reduce work hours and slow down production. We could have way more leisure time, and less workplace stress. Less isolation, less bulling in schools. We can cut down on food packaging and overstocking. We would be able to aggressively expand public transportation, instead of continuing our bloated, inefficient car based infrastructure.



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23 Mar 2019, 10:43 pm

RushKing wrote:
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Isn't collectivist anarchism nothing more than an oxymoron because collectivism is putting a view on a group rather than one person.

Having one individual with all the decision making power, without justification is authoritarian. That's a dictatorship.

Look up Individualist Anarchism. Each individual makes their own decisions. Dictatorships are collective for example Fascism and Communism are extremely collectivist ideologies by nature. Governments are collectivist by nature.



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24 Mar 2019, 9:08 am

Dylanperr wrote:
RushKing wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
Isn't collectivist anarchism nothing more than an oxymoron because collectivism is putting a view on a group rather than one person.

Having one individual with all the decision making power, without justification is authoritarian. That's a dictatorship.

Look up Individualist Anarchism. Each individual makes their own decisions. Dictatorships are collective for example Fascism and Communism are extremely collectivist ideologies by nature. Governments are collectivist by nature.

I have looked into that. Individualism and collectivism both have authoritarian interpretations. Individuals are allowed to make their own decisions in anarcho-collectivism.

The purpose of collective organization in my ideal society is to pursue and achieve the goals of the individual participants involved. People would do this in free association. I don't identify as a collectivist or individualist.



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24 Mar 2019, 11:03 am

RushKing wrote:
have looked into that. Individualism and collectivism both have authoritarian interpretations. Individuals are allowed to make their own decisions in anarcho-collectivism.

The purpose of collective organization in my ideal society is to pursue and achieve the goals of the individual participants involved. People would do this in free association. I don't identify as a collectivist or individualist.


It feels to me at this point we're talking past each other. It is my opinion (accurate or not) that you have not thought through the ramifications of your proposed society. For example, you say people are free to choose, but only if they conform to what your society deems as acceptable behavior. You acknowledge this to be the case while still describing it as non-governmental and anarchist. However, in order to enforce acceptable behavior you need either a government to enforce it or all people to automatically comply. History has shown that human compliance is an unstable element and thus governments and laws were established.

You think that slower production will lead to higher quality of life, but this is literally in contrast to the basic principles of economics. Even Marx and Engels believed in economics, they just had political views in favor of communism based on economic principles.

Anyways, I've made my closing arguments for now. Have a good day. I'm sure we'll revisit these disagreements sometime later.


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