Do You Have the Same Politics or Religion You Grew Up With?

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13 May 2019, 5:21 am

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I think I'll stay in Oz. 8O

you are fortunate to have a nice Oz to live in that wants you there.



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13 May 2019, 7:18 am

People are expected to look after themselves if at all possible. To finish school and get a job and be self sufficient. There are many who choose to do otherwise and expect to be recipients of this that and the other paid for by those who finished school and got a job.



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13 May 2019, 7:44 am

supported hillary in 2007 . obama in 2008. now im undecided .

shifted from strong agnostic to weak agnostic.



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13 May 2019, 12:04 pm

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To finish school and get a job

So - Doing those things with autism support and in an autism appropriate way, e.g. job with no dress code, enables these things to be done.
Hard bashing folks to do them self-sufficiently, in a competitive way designed for many to fail, results in these things not getting done, outside the fault of many.



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13 May 2019, 12:17 pm

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in amuuurica, if one fails to make money, one is literally considered disposable worthless trash. that is the long and short of it. everything revolves around money and making money here in the land of the wage slave, home of the unfree.

"Disposable worthless trash". Nice.
Yes, I think Scandinavian social philosophy here asks a question: can we make this "trash" a valuable contributor to the society? Human recycling :twisted: I haven't been to Sweden or Norway to see it with my own eyes, I only talked to people from there. They complained on stiffening the social stratification, too - defined not by money but by social, cultural and educational background.

over here, instead of extracting utility from the jaws of futility - recycling as it were - we just dispose of less than perfect human beings like yesterday's refuse. at most we make only token, patchwork tries at true rehabilitation. we're the most wasteful society on the earth. it's gonna bite us in the tuchas before we're even aware of what's going on.


You're free to create yourself, but the measure of your worth will be of your financial value.
Which means you are not free to create yourself as anything but a commodity.

Study to provide a service, the value of which will be judged by your income.
Or make yourself famous, in a way that you can make money off of.

Basically, as long as you need to earn money, you are not free.

Also: I basically have the same believes I grew up with - atheist star trek TNG communism - but I've grown more depressed about the chances of that coming true, and am afraid de Sade-ian nihilistic atheism might be just more popular among those who are actually in positions to install the institutions thst would facilitate either.


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13 May 2019, 12:24 pm

Simply stated the answer is No. Under my father's conservative rule my family was Buddhist although years later I learned that my mother was brought up as a Christian. My father was also a staunch Republican, so I grew up to become all of that.

Over the years and more than one significant event I have become a devout Christian (non-denominational) and a left leaning Democrat. The how and why this transformation came about it too long to be posted here. I am definitely happier as I am today.


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13 May 2019, 1:11 pm

Somehow, I inadvertently turned out completely the opposite of my parents, they of irreligious Republican nature.

Growing up, I was never exposed to any kind of religion by my family; it's not like they were anti-theists shielding me from it, they were just completely secular. It wasn't until high school when I made friends with Christians that I began seriously thinking about spirituality, and then it wasn't until my mid-20s during a mental breakdown following a long period of emotional turmoil that I turned to Christianity and it honestly turned my life around. I was kind of a rabid born-again for a couple years, though as I've continued in life and theological studies, I've been exploring different belief systems: though I've only just started peeking outside of Abrahamism, I don't think I can shake my intrinsic belief in monotheism.

It wasn't until I found a spiritual path that I began developing an interest in politics. In our current American climate, one would think that Christianity would be inextricably linked with right-wing ideologies, but I was led way "left" before I even knew the difference between the two sides. I really don't want to start a debate, but I'll merely say I couldn't reconcile one message with another...I'll end by stating I'm quite a fan of Leo Tolstoy and a lot of Christian punk rock, if that gives you a hint that I wouldn't even consider myself a Democrat.

Having never discussed politics or religion with my parents growing up, I...well, never really discussed politics or religion with them. I developed my own beliefs, and the fact that they were the opposite of my parents' is due to independent study rather than intentional rebellion or rejection.



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13 May 2019, 2:23 pm

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Simply stated the answer is No. Under my father's conservative rule my family was Buddhist although years later I learned that my mother was brought up as a Christian. My father was also a staunch Republican, so I grew up to become all of that.

Over the years and more than one significant event I have become a devout Christian (non-denominational) and a left leaning Democrat. The how and why this transformation came about it too long to be posted here. I am definitely happier as I am today.


I like your hat!

Anyway, as to the question, my parents were pretty liberal, and they wanted me and my sister to decide for ourselves when it came to religion. The rest of my family is "spiritual," however, and I'm the only atheist.


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13 May 2019, 3:06 pm

My parents pretty much apolitical, and they didn't subscribe to any religious ideology. I consider myself lucky.


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13 May 2019, 7:03 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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I think I'll stay in Oz. 8O

you are fortunate to have a nice Oz to live in that wants you there.


I didn't say they want me here.
20 years of gang stalking in my past indicates differently. :mrgreen:

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People are expected to look after themselves if at all possible. To finish school and get a job and be self sufficient. There are many who choose to do otherwise and expect to be recipients of this that and the other paid for by those who finished school and got a job.


I have a problem with an attitude of entitlement also.

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EzraS wrote:
To finish school and get a job

So - Doing those things with autism support and in an autism appropriate way, e.g. job with no dress code, enables these things to be done.
Hard bashing folks to do them self-sufficiently, in a competitive way designed for many to fail, results in these things not getting done, outside the fault of many.


His main point revolves around attitudes.



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13 May 2019, 7:11 pm

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Anyway, as to the question, my parents were pretty liberal, and they wanted me and my sister to decide for ourselves when it came to religion. The rest of my family is "spiritual," however, and I'm the only atheist.


Atheism is the only one true religion!
Erm. :?
Good to have you on board. :wink:



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13 May 2019, 7:38 pm

Politics has never been discussed much within the household. At least not in a particularly partisan way.



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13 May 2019, 11:13 pm

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I dunno what my religion was when I was little. I went to Unitarian and Quaker schools and later attended my mom's Presbyterean church, but then went back to a Quaker high school. But I'm an atheist now w/some interest in Buddhism. Politically when I was little I remember liking Jimmy Carter as president and HATING reagan so I guess I was liberal. Now I'm a communist.


Communism has a lot of historical baggage...
I am assuming you are aware of that?


Capitalism and all its associated political schools of thought have alot more.


More than tens of millions of deaths?
I am not sure I agree. :scratch:

Stalin was a much more effective murderer in terms of numbers than you know hoo... :skull:
Please let us not further bring up "he who shall not be named".
OK, I will: Voldemort. :mrgreen:

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Voldemort is the archenemy of Harry Potter, who according to a prophecy has "the power to vanquish the Dark Lord". Nearly every witch or wizard dares not utter his unmentionable name, and refers to him instead with such expressions as "You-Know-Who", "He Who Must Not Be Named" or "the Dark Lord". https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CH ... le65-xz_D4


Shall we go through the history of capitalism?

No. :mrgreen:


I've already done so. Ignore it if you wish, doesn't matter to me.



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13 May 2019, 11:20 pm

I grew up from a not so religious family and I am very much a Christian, but I do feel embarrassed when I am around my non-Christian friends and family members. I feel just as embarrassed when I am around a non-religious psychiatrist. I really hope having religion like myself as a Christian never gets labeled as schizophrenia or delusional. It would upset me if Christianity is seen as delusional.



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14 May 2019, 12:03 am

breaks0 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
breaks0 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
breaks0 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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I dunno what my religion was when I was little. I went to Unitarian and Quaker schools and later attended my mom's Presbyterean church, but then went back to a Quaker high school. But I'm an atheist now w/some interest in Buddhism. Politically when I was little I remember liking Jimmy Carter as president and HATING reagan so I guess I was liberal. Now I'm a communist.


Communism has a lot of historical baggage...
I am assuming you are aware of that?


Capitalism and all its associated political schools of thought have alot more.


More than tens of millions of deaths?
I am not sure I agree. :scratch:

Stalin was a much more effective murderer in terms of numbers than you know hoo... :skull:
Please let us not further bring up "he who shall not be named".
OK, I will: Voldemort. :mrgreen:

Quote:
Voldemort is the archenemy of Harry Potter, who according to a prophecy has "the power to vanquish the Dark Lord". Nearly every witch or wizard dares not utter his unmentionable name, and refers to him instead with such expressions as "You-Know-Who", "He Who Must Not Be Named" or "the Dark Lord". https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CH ... le65-xz_D4


Shall we go through the history of capitalism?

No. :mrgreen:


I've already done so. Ignore it if you wish, doesn't matter to me.


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17 May 2019, 11:35 am

My mom is still against universal healthcare because she is used to capitalism and paying for your own care and is totally fine with going bankrupt and everything despite that she got cancer and had to dig into her retirement. I went for universal healthcare when I learned how Australia has it and Canad and the UK so I thought we should get it too.

I went from believing in god to being an atheist in junior high when I learned more science and gained more knowledge and god made less and less sense to a point he sounded like a fairy tale.


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