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fashioondesiigner
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02 Jun 2019, 5:10 pm

u dont think black ppl have better bodies ..?

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02 Jun 2019, 5:30 pm

fashioondesiigner wrote:

u dont think black ppl have better bodies ..?

What are your criteria?

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02 Jun 2019, 8:42 pm

Magna wrote:

Are there more race supremacists in the UK than the U.S.? I personally have never knowingly met a race supremacist in my life. I'm not saying I don't believe they exist, but that I've never met one.

Well, you don't really know if you haven't met one.
It's not as though they wear a sign around their neck.
(Pinched this from an American comedian I saw many years ago. :mrgreen:

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I've never cared about the race of a person. I care about respect. People should respect other people's personal space and should respect each person's RIGHT to safety and the right to live without being willingly harmed by another. The Golden Rule is underrated and underutilized. For these reasons, the color of someone's skin means nothing to me. One is not superior to the other in any way.

I have absolutely no problem with a person's "race".
I do have a problem with certain cultural belief systems, and certain sub-cultures.
Broadly speaking, I do consider myself a: "culturalist".
But a nice one. :wink:

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02 Jun 2019, 9:01 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:

Well, if IQ has anything to do with being Superior. Japanese are known to have the highest for a race.

To follow on from my previous post:
The Japanese culture has (or used to have) and extremely good work ethic.
They apply this to their schooling which has paid dividends.
I think a lot of their "I.Q." has a lot to do with their cultural emphasis on education.

Other cultures may emphasise other attributes:
It's like a role-playing game where you add points to a character's attributes, except in this case it is cultural.
E.G.:
If you want a sorcerer/sorceress, give them higher intellectual points.
Want a paladin? Add more personality points, etc.

Why would cultural emphasis, over a long period of time, not affect the natural selection process?
See the smaller beaks on some people?
It is there for an evolutionary reason. :mrgreen:

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02 Jun 2019, 11:45 pm

Pepe wrote:

Other cultures may emphasise other attributes:
It's like a role-playing game where you add points to a character's attributes, except in this case it is cultural.
E.G.:
If you want a sorcerer/sorceress, give them higher intellectual points.
Want a paladin? Add more personality points, etc.

Point of order: sorcerers in D&D also use charisma (personality) as main casting stat just like paladins. Wizards invest in intelligence.

Ok back on topic.

I think cultural influences are too short lived to make any impact on the biological evolution of a country. Sure if one culture reveres brainy engineers and another reveres brawny athletes over a few tens of thousands of years that might make a difference, but no culture is that long lived.

Think what was popular in 17th century Europe versus what is popular in 21st century Europe. Very very different. I'm pretty sure in Feudal Japan strong warrior samurai were the most desirable.

Cultural influences can greatly influence environmental factors that contribute to traits like IQ. Like for example there is research that says if you grow up in a low-stress environment that your IQ will be higher than if you had grown up in a high-stress environment.

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03 Jun 2019, 6:10 am

madbutnotmad wrote:

If a supreme race exists, which race would it be and for what reasons?
From my understanding, human beings have a wide range of attributes and behaviour traits.
I think that human beings are by their very nature extremely complex.

What attributes would you compare to ascertain which was the superior speciemine?

Arguably, the greatest human trait is *capability to overcome adversity*.

In AI (Artificial Intelligence) program I took, the "bots" we made were graded based on how they overcame obstacles. "Inferior" ones got stuck, or stopped working. The "superior" ones navigated past obstacles (adversity).

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03 Jun 2019, 6:37 am

Antrax wrote:

magz wrote:

Of course I meant academicians, my experience comes from science conferences.

Why are academicians in the US immigrants? Or Jews - that's what I've observed.

Thomas Sowell has done a lot of research on these discrepancies, and concluded that "different groups tend to do different things."

In an interview with William F. Buckley at the 18:26 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y021WAdUlW8

Sorry, I'm poor in parsing youtube material, is there something in written form?

But it just moves the question further: why is American society divided that way?

When I read interviews with African American rock climbers, they often mention being discouraged to climb - not by almost-exclusively-white climber community - but by other African Americans. One of many examples here: https://www.climbing.com/people/diversi ... versation/

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In the words of James Mills, accomplished mountaineer and author of The Adventure Gap, a book examining the lack of minority participation in our wilderness spaces, there are notions of what black people do and don’t do, and if you do things that are “white,” you can lose credibility in the community. Especially for those that are socially vulnerable, this often translates to aversion to the sport before they even get a chance to try it.

When Kai Lightner, the 10-time sport climbing national champion, started climbing, his peers told him that the sport was not for him. Instead, according to them, he should have chosen something more conventional, like basketball. Kai said these comments made him question his passion, and he almost stopped altogether. Luckily for the sport, he didn’t. Now, at 17, he has become one of the top climbers of his generation.

Why is one's ancestry supposed to determine one's career or sports one does?

To me, it seems to be all about social pressure within different groups.

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03 Jun 2019, 6:50 am

For those wondering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes

Not sure why anyone would think this guy an authority on anything.

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03 Jun 2019, 7:15 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

madbutnotmad wrote:

If this is true, then White Privilege will relegate whites in the US to the ash heap of history. Well this may already be happening.

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03 Jun 2019, 9:21 am

magz wrote:

Antrax wrote:

magz wrote:

Of course I meant academicians, my experience comes from science conferences.

Why are academicians in the US immigrants? Or Jews - that's what I've observed.

Sorry, I'm poor in parsing youtube material, is there something in written form?

But it just moves the question further: why is American society divided that way?

Dr. Sowell does his best work in his interviews and the 30 books he's written in which his analysis is extremely factually based. The most topical of which is his book "Discrimination and Disparities," in which he examines disparities and to what extent they are likely influenced by discrimination. Until recently he had a weekly column in which he'll write mostly on current politics and current events. His column is typically more politically charged, and provides much less evidence for his assertions, though occasionally his research is referred to.

Full list of his collumns: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp

A couple that I found addressing this idea:

Racial Disparities in Football positions: http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell112416.php3

Disparate impacts (In context of the Michael Brown Shooting): http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell031015.php3

As for the next question: why? That seems hard to answer.

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03 Jun 2019, 9:32 am

Just briefly on the D&D tangent...

I think it's interesting that sorcerers express these abilities innately and that for wizards it is a learned, thoroughly studied behavior.

Sometimes I think D&D 2.5 is meta as hell. There are some combinations of abilities that seem engineered towards "breaking the veil of reality." Maybe I read too much into it, but I get this impression.

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03 Jun 2019, 9:40 am

MaxE wrote:

... White Privilege will relegate whites in the US to the ash heap of history. Well this may already be happening.

Let me tell you a few things about "White Privilege". As a white person...

• You are expected to act 'civilized', and with great sensitivity to the feelings of non-whites, no matter how harmful and hurtful their actions are to you or to others.

• You are expected to 'admit' that you were wrong, and apologize for being wrong, in any argument with a non-white person, even when what you have said is factually correct.

• You are expected to stay in school, study hard, stay out of trouble, earn good grades, and graduate on time and at the top of your class, whether you are able to or not.

• You can expect that any "Multi-Cultural Sensitivity Training" that you are required to attend will be focused on the idea that you have already committed some grievous racially-motivated crime or offense against a non-white person, due to the "Collective Guilt" that all white people allegedly share for having been born white.

• You can expect that anything you do or say can and will be used as 'evidence' against you in any inquiry into allegations that you have engaged in a crime or offense against a non-white person.

• You can expect that the hardships and challenges you have experienced and/or overcome will be dismissed or ignored by non-whites due to your alleged "White Privilege".

• You can expect to be accused of 'Ignorance', 'Racism', or 'Whitesplaining' for taking an active part in any discussion on racism.

• You can expect to be accused of racism for NOT taking part in any discussion on racism.

• You can expect to be accused of racism for promoting merit-only practices and policies in enrollment, grading, hiring, promotion, and housing.

• You can expect to be accused of racist and/or racial motivation behind your every act, thought, and word, and for no apparent reason whatsoever, other than for being white.

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03 Jun 2019, 9:41 am

There is only one race. The human race. And just reading this thread reminds me how inferior
the entire human race is and I should just be with non-human animals, which are the real superior beings.

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03 Jun 2019, 9:49 am

Antrax wrote:

Thanks

It seems, his point is - disparity is not a direct result of discrimination. I think he's right.
The Ashkenazi Jews have been discriminated against for centuries and just look at their contributions to the humanity!

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03 Jun 2019, 9:50 am

lostonearth35 wrote:

There is only one race. The human race. And just reading this thread reminds me how inferior
the entire human race is and I should just be with non-human animals, which are the real superior beings.

There is only one human species. "Race" is to humans as "breed" is to cats, and there are no inferior breeds.

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03 Jun 2019, 10:01 am

Fnord wrote:

lostonearth35 wrote:

There is only one race. The human race. And just reading this thread reminds me how inferior
the entire human race is and I should just be with non-human animals, which are the real superior beings.

There is only one human species. "Race" is to humans as "breed" is to cats, and there are no inferior breeds.

Regarding cats , it all depends on your definition of inferior , crossbreeding wouldn't exist if there were no inferior breeds in cats.

I agree with what your saying but not a great analogy

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