10 Jun 2019, 6:34 pm
Antrax wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Many Hells in Buddhism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Saen_Suk
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Saen_Suk
Interesting.
The Ancient Greeks believed in an underworld ruled by the God of Death Hades and his wife Persephone, but I don't believe it was truly a "hell". The dead had to pay the ferryman Charon coins to ride his boat across the river Styx (hence why they were always burried with coins in their mouth, without money they had to wait 100 years) and once they got there they were taken good care of. They lived as if everything was OK eating food and drinking water reserved specifically for the dead living in the underworld. Once you ate the food you could never leave the underworld, and when you drank the water you would forget your past life.
Hades ruled the underworld which was mostly just a gloomy place filled with ordinary dead folks. However, within the underworld was Tartarus a dungeon where the truly wicked were punished. The most two famous are the punishment of Sisyphus (constantly rolling a boulder up a hill only for it to roll down again) and Tantalus (Submerged chest deep in water beneath a fruit tree he was constantly thirsty and starving, whenever he tried to drink from the water the level fell so that he could not drink, and whenever he tried to grab fruit from the tree the branches rose so that he could not take of them it is from his name we get the word tantalizing). Tartarus was also the prison of the titans after their defeat by the gods.
The Christian hell is likely based on the Zoroastrian concept, although a version of hell appears in many religions around the world. The word itself is from the Norse Realm Hel ruled by the Goddess Hel daughter of Loki. In Norse religion, Valhalla was the afterlife for those who died in battle while Hel is the afterlife for those who died from other causes.
So I guess the underworld was both a 'hell' and a place where the dead went to live in gloomy comfort.
10 Jun 2019, 6:37 pm
10 Jun 2019, 6:44 pm
Is there such a myth about a hell that takes on the appearance of a "false paradise"?
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again. 
10 Jun 2019, 6:49 pm
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Is there such a myth about a hell that takes on the appearance of a "false paradise"?
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again.
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again.
There’s a Twilight Zone episode (“A Nice Place to Visit”) in which a crook is killed by police and thinks he’s in heaven because everything goes right for him while he’s there. But it ends up being too good. He can never lose a gambling game. Eventually, he learns that it’s a version of Hell that was especially chosen for him.
10 Jun 2019, 6:51 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Is there such a myth about a hell that takes on the appearance of a "false paradise"?
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again.
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again.
There’s a Twilight Zone episode (“A Nice Place to Visit”) in which a crook is killed by police and thinks he’s in heaven because everything goes right for him while he’s there. But it ends up being too good. He can never lose a gambling game. Eventually, he learns that it’s a version of Hell that was especially chosen for him.
Interesting
I'll have to watch that one. What is the title of the episode?
10 Jun 2019, 6:52 pm
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Is there such a myth about a hell that takes on the appearance of a "false paradise"?
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again.
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again.
Are modern sitcoms considered myths?
10 Jun 2019, 6:52 pm
10 Jun 2019, 6:53 pm
Twilightprincess wrote:
A Nice Place to Visit
Thanks!
10 Jun 2019, 6:54 pm
10 Jun 2019, 6:55 pm
Antrax wrote:
TheRevengeofTW1ZTY wrote:
Is there such a myth about a hell that takes on the appearance of a "false paradise"?
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again.
I would imagine it to be a seemingly beautiful place with shining golden cities and green trees and blue skies and clear waters as far as the eye can see. The damned souls that arrive in such a place truly believe they have found a real paradise and when they are at their happiest it all comes crumbling down and they fall into the fiery dark below where they suffer the same event over and over again.
Are modern sitcoms considered myths?
Maybe centuries from now? When TV becomes a thing of the past. If we're still on this planet by then.
10 Jun 2019, 7:07 pm
10 Jun 2019, 7:10 pm
10 Jun 2019, 7:14 pm
madbutnotmad wrote:
Several years ago i studiously studied the historical origins of Christianity and the Bible, during an extremely difficult time in my life where i was being force converted to become a Jehovah Witness slave (which i opted out after studying extensively from various versions of the faith that is now known as Christianity).
From what i can remember the origins of the concept Hell developed out of Rabbinic scriptures that referenced an actual place just outside of what is now known as Jerusalem called Gehenna.
Gehenna, during the time of writing of these books in the Bible was basically a place where people would
take their rubbish to dump and burn. The place was naturally high in sulphur, so when the rubbish burnt
it would burn red or even white hot.
Now if you think about Mosaic law, i.e. the 10 Commandments and then the lesser laws found in the rest of Leviticus.
You will easily find out what the punishment for breaking many of God's laws.
Yep, the punishment was in essence death. So I think it would be a fair assumption to make that in scripture, when Gehenna was referenced for those who were evil, it basically meant that the evil would end up being thrown on the rubbish tip to burn for ever.
So. the beginnings of the concept of Hell, came from a real place, but there was nothing imaginary or otherworldly about it. It was a very real place on earth.
I would guess that the modern concept of hell, along with the sophisticated developed personality that we now call the devil or Satan also developed later on after the Jewish people came more and more into contact with other cultures and religious beliefs.
Apparently, the word Hell was never originally used in the old or new testament, but only became popular later on, around 1200 AD.
a history of hell
personally i am agnostic but lean towards Buddhism than anything else.
I can understand why Buddhists would refer to mind states as Hell,
i am not so sure about the many planes or hell worlds.
I guess I will have to wait and see in my next life.
From what i can remember the origins of the concept Hell developed out of Rabbinic scriptures that referenced an actual place just outside of what is now known as Jerusalem called Gehenna.
Gehenna, during the time of writing of these books in the Bible was basically a place where people would
take their rubbish to dump and burn. The place was naturally high in sulphur, so when the rubbish burnt
it would burn red or even white hot.
Now if you think about Mosaic law, i.e. the 10 Commandments and then the lesser laws found in the rest of Leviticus.
You will easily find out what the punishment for breaking many of God's laws.
Yep, the punishment was in essence death. So I think it would be a fair assumption to make that in scripture, when Gehenna was referenced for those who were evil, it basically meant that the evil would end up being thrown on the rubbish tip to burn for ever.
So. the beginnings of the concept of Hell, came from a real place, but there was nothing imaginary or otherworldly about it. It was a very real place on earth.
I would guess that the modern concept of hell, along with the sophisticated developed personality that we now call the devil or Satan also developed later on after the Jewish people came more and more into contact with other cultures and religious beliefs.
Apparently, the word Hell was never originally used in the old or new testament, but only became popular later on, around 1200 AD.
a history of hell
personally i am agnostic but lean towards Buddhism than anything else.
I can understand why Buddhists would refer to mind states as Hell,
i am not so sure about the many planes or hell worlds.
I guess I will have to wait and see in my next life.
That's very interesting to know! I think I heard about the burning rubbish pit thing before. I forgot about it.
I consider myself an agnostic omnist. I believe every religion has some truth to it, but it's all so confusing and we'll probably never know what is truth and what is fiction.
10 Jun 2019, 7:17 pm
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