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07 Jan 2020, 9:45 am

Yep.

I would extend this symbolism for anything.

Who cares how I caught the ball?----I caught the damn ball, for crying out loud!

I do things very differently from most----and sometimes very "wrongly" according to most folks. Yet, I get the desired result most of the time.



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07 Jan 2020, 12:01 pm

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Boomers, as a cohort, aren't used to being told their opinions are neither wanted nor needed. When you've dominated discussions most of your life, suddenly being treated as though you're irrelevant is shocking, you're entitled to have people listen goddammit- hence the hysterics. It's probably compounded in contexts where it's also viewed as personal, since you know, feelings.


Any generation's opinions could be deemed as not being needed or wanted. It's rather wrong headed to single out boomers on that score .Conversations aren't just dominated by boomers . It's something some people will do irrespective of what generation they come from .

As for applying 'Snowflake' to boomers or millennials or any other generation ; it's a stinking pile of mindless crap whichever generation it's aimed at .


It really depends on the issue. I don't mind ignoring boomers on the topic of climate change for example. Why? Because older generations are both more likely to buy into denialism as well as have far less to lose. If one won't be here to deal with the consequences of ignoring the problem, one's opinion means very little, especially if one's opinion is that the problem doesn't exist or should be ignored. Not only do they not have any investment in the future, they have an investment in pretending the problem away because any serious proposals have the potential to harm their current standard of living.

As for 'dominating the conversation', some cohorts do this more than others as a result of their numbers. Boomers have been a large and important cohort from the day they started to be born. Their tastes and presence dramatically altered society in many ways. The emergence of the muscle car is an obvious example. There's a reason they started to appear in earnest around 1965, boomers were old enough to purchase cars and that was the the genre of car the youth market demanded. As a whole, they dominated society through their numbers and spending power and voting power. They're no longer the largest voting bloc and they're in the final decades of their lives, power has shifted. Gen X never had the numbers to be so influential, but Gen Y does. They didn't have the same influence as boomers did, but as boomers influence wanes theirs will grow.


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07 Jan 2020, 12:04 pm

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After all the anti-millennial stuff that was pushed by Boomers, being dismissive of how things are different than it were for them. I think people should continue to keep pushing the envelope. It has been ridiculous seeing the older generation trying to frame the phrase like some sort of slur, like dismissing their opinion on something is so harmful.


Boomers, as a cohort, aren't used to being told their opinions are neither wanted nor needed. When you've dominated discussions most of your life, suddenly being treated as though you're irrelevant is shocking, you're entitled to have people listen goddammit- hence the hysterics. It's probably compounded in contexts where it's also viewed as personal, since you know, feelings.

Hmm, I think this post made me realize something. As an autistic boomer I have been not only treated as irrelevant but have been irrelevant most of my life. That is why not only am I not offended but getting a kick out the whole controversy.

In the sprit of irreverence if you really want to make snowflake boomers mad hack all the classic rock stations so all that is heard on those stations is Greta Thunberg yelling “How dare you” over and over again. And that guy who compared “Ok boomer” to the N-Word, that guy gets pranked by some avocado eating fake Gen Z cops who arrest him for driving while boomer. The late Abbie Hoffman would appreciate that.


I feel like your experiences have caused you to have a degree of detachment, so it's easier to poke fun at things that other peers are more invested in. If you know you've never had any power it's easier to realize you haven't lost any. If one had some and now has less, it's hard to feel that way so instead they respond like something that was theirs fairly has been taken.


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07 Jan 2020, 4:17 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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funeralxempire wrote:
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After all the anti-millennial stuff that was pushed by Boomers, being dismissive of how things are different than it were for them. I think people should continue to keep pushing the envelope. It has been ridiculous seeing the older generation trying to frame the phrase like some sort of slur, like dismissing their opinion on something is so harmful.


Boomers, as a cohort, aren't used to being told their opinions are neither wanted nor needed. When you've dominated discussions most of your life, suddenly being treated as though you're irrelevant is shocking, you're entitled to have people listen goddammit- hence the hysterics. It's probably compounded in contexts where it's also viewed as personal, since you know, feelings.

Hmm, I think this post made me realize something. As an autistic boomer I have been not only treated as irrelevant but have been irrelevant most of my life. That is why not only am I not offended but getting a kick out the whole controversy.

In the sprit of irreverence if you really want to make snowflake boomers mad hack all the classic rock stations so all that is heard on those stations is Greta Thunberg yelling “How dare you” over and over again. And that guy who compared “Ok boomer” to the N-Word, that guy gets pranked by some avocado eating fake Gen Z cops who arrest him for driving while boomer. The late Abbie Hoffman would appreciate that.


I feel like your experiences have caused you to have a degree of detachment, so it's easier to poke fun at things that other peers are more invested in. If you know you've never had any power it's easier to realize you haven't lost any. If one had some and now has less, it's hard to feel that way so instead they respond like something that was theirs fairly has been taken.

I think so. I also think my autistic brain also helps in seeing hypocrisy. The punk/new wave stuff I was into back in the 80s was a kind of an insurgency. Because many of us were different be it gay, nerd, or undiagnosed autistic we rebelled against the hippies who were now yuppies waxing nostalgic. I felt tired of constant hippie nostalgia back then for some of the same reasons as those yelling ok boomer are now. That said in some ways I am that person ok boomer was meant for. All the new music sounds all the same to me, I am appalled at “cancel culture”, I find the 72 gender identities thing mind boggling, I just don’t get it, and think todays youth in general are way too fragile. Maybe the gender identity thing is fad maybe not but as a person whose autism was not recognized until I was age 55 who the f**k am I to tell somebody that their genderfluid identity is wrong?. And if you are going to constantly mock the young for being triggered by microagressions, indeed the very use of the words “triggered” and “microagression” and get offended by “ok boomer” your hypocrisy deserves to be mocked.


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07 Jan 2020, 4:28 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Yep.

I would extend this symbolism for anything.

Who cares how I caught the ball?----I caught the damn ball, for crying out loud!

I do things very differently from most----and sometimes very "wrongly" according to most folks. Yet, I get the desired result most of the time.


THIS!!


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07 Jan 2020, 4:38 pm

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It now seems weird that I've never seen an 8-track player, or an actual 8-track tape.

My older brother had a few stereos. I guess he didn't see the need for an 8-track player. None of my friends had older brothers with 8-tracks either at home or in their cars.

There were some cars that played cassettes; and there were some cars that only had radios.


I have vague memories of seeing an 8-track player. From the early 80s I had several music centres . This was pre being online. I'd spent hours creating tapes by artist/genre/years etc .



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07 Jan 2020, 9:33 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
After all the anti-millennial stuff that was pushed by Boomers, being dismissive of how things are different than it were for them. I think people should continue to keep pushing the envelope. It has been ridiculous seeing the older generation trying to frame the phrase like some sort of slur, like dismissing their opinion on something is so harmful.


Boomers, as a cohort, aren't used to being told their opinions are neither wanted nor needed. When you've dominated discussions most of your life, suddenly being treated as though you're irrelevant is shocking, you're entitled to have people listen goddammit- hence the hysterics. It's probably compounded in contexts where it's also viewed as personal, since you know, feelings.

Hmm, I think this post made me realize something. As an autistic boomer I have been not only treated as irrelevant but have been irrelevant most of my life. That is why not only am I not offended but getting a kick out the whole controversy.

In the sprit of irreverence if you really want to make snowflake boomers mad hack all the classic rock stations so all that is heard on those stations is Greta Thunberg yelling “How dare you” over and over again. And that guy who compared “Ok boomer” to the N-Word, that guy gets pranked by some avocado eating fake Gen Z cops who arrest him for driving while boomer. The late Abbie Hoffman would appreciate that.


I feel like your experiences have caused you to have a degree of detachment, so it's easier to poke fun at things that other peers are more invested in. If you know you've never had any power it's easier to realize you haven't lost any. If one had some and now has less, it's hard to feel that way so instead they respond like something that was theirs fairly has been taken.

I think so. I also think my autistic brain also helps in seeing hypocrisy. The punk/new wave stuff I was into back in the 80s was a kind of an insurgency. Because many of us were different be it gay, nerd, or undiagnosed autistic we rebelled against the hippies who were now yuppies waxing nostalgic. I felt tired of constant hippie nostalgia back then for some of the same reasons as those yelling ok boomer are now. That said in some ways I am that person ok boomer was meant for. All the new music sounds all the same to me, I am appalled at “cancel culture”, I find the 72 gender identities thing mind boggling, I just don’t get it, and think todays youth in general are way too fragile. Maybe the gender identity thing is fad maybe not but as a person whose autism was not recognized until I was age 55 who the f**k am I to tell somebody that their genderfluid identity is wrong?. And if you are going to constantly mock the young for being triggered by microagressions, indeed the very use of the words “triggered” and “microagression” and get offended by “ok boomer” your hypocrisy deserves to be mocked.



The thing I find interesting is that the concept of 'microaggression' is actually useful, but mocking the people who they first heard the term from doesn't really accomplish anything. It doesn't show that the term of idea is ridiculous, especially when those same people are often quite prone to responding to 'microaggressions'; and it doesn't actually show that the people using it are the only ones prone to noticing when they're on the receiving end of such behaviours, for the same reason.

Actually, I find a lot of people who I know at work, if I hear them specifically say something about 'microaggression', 'political correctness', 'sjw', etc, I can pretty much start a 10 day countdown until I get to point out where they're either responding to a microaggression or demanding political correctness. The first time it's interesting. The second time it's a coincidence. The 10th time it's a trend and since then it's just been a fun game.


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07 Jan 2020, 9:57 pm

I'm not a fan of the term, I think it's a huge generalisation



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08 Jan 2020, 5:17 am

funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
After all the anti-millennial stuff that was pushed by Boomers, being dismissive of how things are different than it were for them. I think people should continue to keep pushing the envelope. It has been ridiculous seeing the older generation trying to frame the phrase like some sort of slur, like dismissing their opinion on something is so harmful.


Boomers, as a cohort, aren't used to being told their opinions are neither wanted nor needed. When you've dominated discussions most of your life, suddenly being treated as though you're irrelevant is shocking, you're entitled to have people listen goddammit- hence the hysterics. It's probably compounded in contexts where it's also viewed as personal, since you know, feelings.

Hmm, I think this post made me realize something. As an autistic boomer I have been not only treated as irrelevant but have been irrelevant most of my life. That is why not only am I not offended but getting a kick out the whole controversy.

In the sprit of irreverence if you really want to make snowflake boomers mad hack all the classic rock stations so all that is heard on those stations is Greta Thunberg yelling “How dare you” over and over again. And that guy who compared “Ok boomer” to the N-Word, that guy gets pranked by some avocado eating fake Gen Z cops who arrest him for driving while boomer. The late Abbie Hoffman would appreciate that.


I feel like your experiences have caused you to have a degree of detachment, so it's easier to poke fun at things that other peers are more invested in. If you know you've never had any power it's easier to realize you haven't lost any. If one had some and now has less, it's hard to feel that way so instead they respond like something that was theirs fairly has been taken.

I think so. I also think my autistic brain also helps in seeing hypocrisy. The punk/new wave stuff I was into back in the 80s was a kind of an insurgency. Because many of us were different be it gay, nerd, or undiagnosed autistic we rebelled against the hippies who were now yuppies waxing nostalgic. I felt tired of constant hippie nostalgia back then for some of the same reasons as those yelling ok boomer are now. That said in some ways I am that person ok boomer was meant for. All the new music sounds all the same to me, I am appalled at “cancel culture”, I find the 72 gender identities thing mind boggling, I just don’t get it, and think todays youth in general are way too fragile. Maybe the gender identity thing is fad maybe not but as a person whose autism was not recognized until I was age 55 who the f**k am I to tell somebody that their genderfluid identity is wrong?. And if you are going to constantly mock the young for being triggered by microagressions, indeed the very use of the words “triggered” and “microagression” and get offended by “ok boomer” your hypocrisy deserves to be mocked.



The thing I find interesting is that the concept of 'microaggression' is actually useful, but mocking the people who they first heard the term from doesn't really accomplish anything. It doesn't show that the term of idea is ridiculous, especially when those same people are often quite prone to responding to 'microaggressions'; and it doesn't actually show that the people using it are the only ones prone to noticing when they're on the receiving end of such behaviours, for the same reason.

Actually, I find a lot of people who I know at work, if I hear them specifically say something about 'microaggression', 'political correctness', 'sjw', etc, I can pretty much start a 10 day countdown until I get to point out where they're either responding to a microaggression or demanding political correctness. The first time it's interesting. The second time it's a coincidence. The 10th time it's a trend and since then it's just been a fun game.

While the basic idea of a “microaggression” is real I have a very ok boomer attitude about it. I think being of “triggered” by the very low end of the prejudice spectrum is bad for your mental health and constantly calling out microaggressions inhibits change instead of advancing it. When serious bigotry is called out it is often assumed the person doing the calling out is a snowflake and the issue is not real.


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08 Jan 2020, 4:15 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
After all the anti-millennial stuff that was pushed by Boomers, being dismissive of how things are different than it were for them. I think people should continue to keep pushing the envelope. It has been ridiculous seeing the older generation trying to frame the phrase like some sort of slur, like dismissing their opinion on something is so harmful.


Boomers, as a cohort, aren't used to being told their opinions are neither wanted nor needed. When you've dominated discussions most of your life, suddenly being treated as though you're irrelevant is shocking, you're entitled to have people listen goddammit- hence the hysterics. It's probably compounded in contexts where it's also viewed as personal, since you know, feelings.

Hmm, I think this post made me realize something. As an autistic boomer I have been not only treated as irrelevant but have been irrelevant most of my life. That is why not only am I not offended but getting a kick out the whole controversy.

In the sprit of irreverence if you really want to make snowflake boomers mad hack all the classic rock stations so all that is heard on those stations is Greta Thunberg yelling “How dare you” over and over again. And that guy who compared “Ok boomer” to the N-Word, that guy gets pranked by some avocado eating fake Gen Z cops who arrest him for driving while boomer. The late Abbie Hoffman would appreciate that.


I feel like your experiences have caused you to have a degree of detachment, so it's easier to poke fun at things that other peers are more invested in. If you know you've never had any power it's easier to realize you haven't lost any. If one had some and now has less, it's hard to feel that way so instead they respond like something that was theirs fairly has been taken.

I think so. I also think my autistic brain also helps in seeing hypocrisy. The punk/new wave stuff I was into back in the 80s was a kind of an insurgency. Because many of us were different be it gay, nerd, or undiagnosed autistic we rebelled against the hippies who were now yuppies waxing nostalgic. I felt tired of constant hippie nostalgia back then for some of the same reasons as those yelling ok boomer are now. That said in some ways I am that person ok boomer was meant for. All the new music sounds all the same to me, I am appalled at “cancel culture”, I find the 72 gender identities thing mind boggling, I just don’t get it, and think todays youth in general are way too fragile. Maybe the gender identity thing is fad maybe not but as a person whose autism was not recognized until I was age 55 who the f**k am I to tell somebody that their genderfluid identity is wrong?. And if you are going to constantly mock the young for being triggered by microagressions, indeed the very use of the words “triggered” and “microagression” and get offended by “ok boomer” your hypocrisy deserves to be mocked.



The thing I find interesting is that the concept of 'microaggression' is actually useful, but mocking the people who they first heard the term from doesn't really accomplish anything. It doesn't show that the term of idea is ridiculous, especially when those same people are often quite prone to responding to 'microaggressions'; and it doesn't actually show that the people using it are the only ones prone to noticing when they're on the receiving end of such behaviours, for the same reason.

Actually, I find a lot of people who I know at work, if I hear them specifically say something about 'microaggression', 'political correctness', 'sjw', etc, I can pretty much start a 10 day countdown until I get to point out where they're either responding to a microaggression or demanding political correctness. The first time it's interesting. The second time it's a coincidence. The 10th time it's a trend and since then it's just been a fun game.

While the basic idea of a “microaggression” is real I have a very ok boomer attitude about it. I think being of “triggered” by the very low end of the prejudice spectrum is bad for your mental health and constantly calling out microaggressions inhibits change instead of advancing it. When serious bigotry is called out it is often assumed the person doing the calling out is a snowflake and the issue is not real.


I find pointing out real world examples moments after they happen helps put into context both what is meant and how serious (not very) they tend to be.

Like a coworker who would jokingly say things that might fit the definition, when he finally got a custom ordered work jacket (he's a large gentleman 1.96 m tall and at least 200 kgs) it kinda looked like a doctor's labcoat. Well after a few dozen 'hey Dr. Mike' comments it started getting to him. Made it a teaching moment and went on with life.


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08 Jan 2020, 7:12 pm

That means this guy is about 6 foot 5 and weights about 440 lbs.

I worked with a guy once who was about 5 foot 5, but probably weighted at least 400 lbs.



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As for 'dominating the conversation', some cohorts do this more than others as a result of their numbers. Boomers have been a large and important cohort from the day they started to be born. Their tastes and presence dramatically altered society in many ways. The emergence of the muscle car is an obvious example. There's a reason they started to appear in earnest around 1965, boomers were old enough to purchase cars and that was the the genre of car the youth market demanded. As a whole, they dominated society through their numbers and spending power and voting power. They're no longer the largest voting bloc and they're in the final decades of their lives, power has shifted. Gen X never had the numbers to be so influential, but Gen Y does. They didn't have the same influence as boomers did, but as boomers influence wanes theirs will grow.

This is ironic. I was born in 1952 and for me the Volkswagen Beetle was THE iconic car of our generation, at least in the US.

Anybody buying a muscle car in 1965 was probably Silent Generation or older. At that time, the oldest Boomers were what, 19? and what 19 year old can afford to buy a muscle car? In fact, the Silent Generation was famous for tinkering with cars and "souping them up" and as teenagers they were known to have gotten together and transform old wrecks into supercharged beasts. The muscle care market would have been tailor-made for middle-management Silent Generation types wanting to re-capture their youth and act out a fantasy.


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Anybody buying a muscle car in 1965 was probably Silent Generation or older. At that time, the oldest Boomers were what, 19? and what 19 year old can afford to buy a muscle car? In fact, the Silent Generation was famous for tinkering with cars and "souping them up" and as teenagers they were known to have gotten together and transform old wrecks into supercharged beasts. The muscle care market would have been tailor-made for middle-management Silent Generation types wanting to re-capture their youth and act out a fantasy.


My boomer brother had a muscle car he really couldn't afford in high school (1970). Much to the dismay of my VW driving father. I was more into VW and BMW. Both my brother and I were tinkering with cars though even though my father never did. My brothers Camaro was used and bought from a Silent Generation owner I believe.


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... As for 'dominating the conversation', some cohorts do this more than others as a result of their numbers. Boomers have been a large and important cohort from the day they started to be born.  Their tastes and presence dramatically altered society in many ways...
Rock & Roll is another example. Or rather, what Rock & Roll eventually became -- "Boomer Music": A genre of music that celebrated toxic manhood throughout the late 60s, the 70s, and the 80s, and eventually mutated into Rap, Hip-Hop, and House music.

Rock & Roll is dead, my friends. Rock & Roll is dead.

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