10 Jun 2020, 8:51 am
10 Jun 2020, 9:03 am
10 Jun 2020, 9:10 am
10 Jun 2020, 9:23 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
The Constitution is not the only law of the land.
Take a look at the 1790 Naturalization Act.
And what is known as the “1934 Statute” pertaining to children born to US citizens abroad.
Take a look at the 1790 Naturalization Act.
And what is known as the “1934 Statute” pertaining to children born to US citizens abroad.
Let's hope these loopholes don't work for Ducky and let's if she is chosen for VP that it is contested all the way to the supreme Court.
Why must the Democrats be so evil your forced to vote for Trump
10 Jun 2020, 9:32 am
10 Jun 2020, 11:10 am
10 Jun 2020, 11:20 am
10 Jun 2020, 11:46 am
The_Walrus wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
My point is that Duckworth was born in Thailand to an American diplomat father and a Thai mother of Chinese ancestry.
Ted Cruz was born to an American citizen mother and a Cuban father.
Duckworth lived in the US over 14 years.
That’s my point.
So what your trying to say is that these factors in there lives make it as if there were actually born in the US.Doesn't the constitution say:One must be born in the United States to be president,or not,are there new rules i'm not familiar with,isn't the constitution very clear.Ted Cruz was born to an American citizen mother and a Cuban father.
Duckworth lived in the US over 14 years.
That’s my point.
It says you must be a natural born citizen. That doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be born in the United States.
There has never been a Supreme Court ruling on whether people like Ted Cruz and Tammy Duckworth and Tulsi Gabbard are eligible but there seems to be an academic consensus that the court would find that they are.
Mitt Romney was born in Detroit. His father George, a former Presidential candidate, was born in Mexico.
I don't think someone's father's birth has any bearing as long as Mitt Romney was born in the US.
My mother was born in the state prison,am I a convict?
I am not a constitutional lawyer,maybe if your father is a diplomat then your credited with being birthed in US soil.
I hope if it does happen that conservatives will fight it in court.But in the end American politics is a lost cause anyway,Trump is only slightly better than Biden and that's not saying much.
10 Jun 2020, 1:13 pm
vermontsavant wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Mitt Romney was born in Detroit. His father George, a former Presidential candidate, was born in Mexico.
I don't think someone's father's birth has any bearing as long as Mitt Romney was born in the US.
My mother was born in the state prison,am I a convict?
I am not a constitutional lawyer,maybe if your father is a diplomat then your credited with being birthed in US soil.
I hope if it does happen that conservatives will fight it in court.But in the end American politics is a lost cause anyway,Trump is only slightly better than Biden and that's not saying much.
George Romney being born in Mexico is relevant to whether George Romney was eligible to be President.
Again, for at least the third time, US soil is probably irrelevant.
It is possible that Trump would challenge Duckworth as VP if Biden won the election, but I doubt he would have the support of the RNC given that Cruz is likely to be one of the main contenders for the 2024 nomination. It’s also hard to see how it would benefit the RNC - Biden would just have to replace her with someone else.
10 Jun 2020, 1:36 pm
The_Walrus wrote:
George Romney being born in Mexico is relevant to whether George Romney was eligible to be President.
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How so,several US presidents had parents not born in the US,especially in the early years when so many Americans were first generation in America.
Barak Obama
Andrew Jackson
James Buchanon
Chester Arthur
Woodrow Wilson
Herbert Hoover
All were presidents with at least one parent not born in the US
10 Jun 2020, 3:32 pm
The_Walrus wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Mitt Romney was born in Detroit. His father George, a former Presidential candidate, was born in Mexico.
I don't think someone's father's birth has any bearing as long as Mitt Romney was born in the US.
My mother was born in the state prison,am I a convict?
I am not a constitutional lawyer,maybe if your father is a diplomat then your credited with being birthed in US soil.
I hope if it does happen that conservatives will fight it in court.But in the end American politics is a lost cause anyway,Trump is only slightly better than Biden and that's not saying much.
George Romney being born in Mexico is relevant to whether George Romney was eligible to be President.
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It would not be relevant. If both your parents were Mexican, and your mom were preggers when they visited the US and she gave birth to you while she was in the US then you would be a US citizen (according to US law). The Constitution vague after that. If the three of you moved back to Mexico and you grew up in Mexico as a Mexican citizen, and THEN 40 years later moved back to the US -and then tried to run for POTUS- that could be an issue.
But Romeny's parents were both Americans who raised him within the USA.
11 Jun 2020, 6:55 am
11 Jun 2020, 7:45 am
naturalplastic wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Mitt Romney was born in Detroit. His father George, a former Presidential candidate, was born in Mexico.
I don't think someone's father's birth has any bearing as long as Mitt Romney was born in the US.
My mother was born in the state prison,am I a convict?
I am not a constitutional lawyer,maybe if your father is a diplomat then your credited with being birthed in US soil.
I hope if it does happen that conservatives will fight it in court.But in the end American politics is a lost cause anyway,Trump is only slightly better than Biden and that's not saying much.
George Romney being born in Mexico is relevant to whether George Romney was eligible to be President.
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It would not be relevant. If both your parents were Mexican, and your mom were preggers when they visited the US and she gave birth to you while she was in the US then you would be a US citizen (according to US law). The Constitution vague after that. If the three of you moved back to Mexico and you grew up in Mexico as a Mexican citizen, and THEN 40 years later moved back to the US -and then tried to run for POTUS- that could be an issue.
But Romeny's parents were both Americans who raised him within the USA.
There aren’t enough
in the world.- Vermontsavant claimed that people born outside the US aren’t eligible to be president.
- I said that was probably wrong and offered a few counter examples, Ted Cruz and John McCain.
- MaxE suggested Mitt Romney
- I pointed out that Mitt Romney was born in the US, but his father George was another good example of a Presidential candidate born outside the US.
- vermontsavant said that George Romney being born outside the US doesn’t affect whether Mitt was eligible
- I said, no, but George being eligible despite being born outside the US tells us something about Duckworth (similar circumstances).
Admittedly the last point wasn’t entirely spelled out but I feel like it should have been clear from context, given that I had already argued that Duckworth, Cruz and McCain were all eligible.
11 Jun 2020, 8:08 am
The_Walrus wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Mitt Romney was born in Detroit. His father George, a former Presidential candidate, was born in Mexico.
I don't think someone's father's birth has any bearing as long as Mitt Romney was born in the US.
My mother was born in the state prison,am I a convict?
I am not a constitutional lawyer,maybe if your father is a diplomat then your credited with being birthed in US soil.
I hope if it does happen that conservatives will fight it in court.But in the end American politics is a lost cause anyway,Trump is only slightly better than Biden and that's not saying much.
George Romney being born in Mexico is relevant to whether George Romney was eligible to be President.
.
It would not be relevant. If both your parents were Mexican, and your mom were preggers when they visited the US and she gave birth to you while she was in the US then you would be a US citizen (according to US law). The Constitution vague after that. If the three of you moved back to Mexico and you grew up in Mexico as a Mexican citizen, and THEN 40 years later moved back to the US -and then tried to run for POTUS- that could be an issue.
But Romeny's parents were both Americans who raised him within the USA.
There aren’t enough
in the world.- Vermontsavant claimed that people born outside the US aren’t eligible to be president.
- I said that was probably wrong and offered a few counter examples, Ted Cruz and John McCain.
- MaxE suggested Mitt Romney
- I pointed out that Mitt Romney was born in the US, but his father George was another good example of a Presidential candidate born outside the US.
- vermontsavant said that George Romney being born outside the US doesn’t affect whether Mitt was eligible
- I said, no, but George being eligible despite being born outside the US tells us something about Duckworth (similar circumstances).
Admittedly the last point wasn’t entirely spelled out but I feel like it should have been clear from context, given that I had already argued that Duckworth, Cruz and McCain were all eligible.
Why would George Romney's Mexican birth affect Mitt Romney's presidential credibility,clearly not,he ran for president uncontested did he not?
Ted Cruz and Tammy Duckworth are not the same question as John McCain,John McCain was born in the Panama canal zone which was a valid US territory in 1937,McCain was not born in the Republic of Panama.
Address the birthing issue of Cruz and Duckwork separately,McCain was born on US soil no question,no grey area about it.
I agree and accept your point that it would be bad for republicans to contest Duckworth in court because it could cause problems for Cruz in 2024,very good point on your part(agreed).
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