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07 Jun 2020, 7:07 am

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I feel that if these people who want law enforcement removed, actually got their wish, that in a few months they would be regretting it and wanting them to come back, unless maybe not?


Perhaps predominately coloured communities should have a predominantly coloured police force.

I wonder if that might discourage blacks from joining the force? Since the black neighbourhood typically has the most crime, if they were always the ones sent to police it, their job would be considerably more difficult and dangerous. I'm sure some would like the idea of being able to make a difference to their local community though.



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07 Jun 2020, 7:39 am

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I wonder if that might discourage blacks from joining the force? Since the black neighbourhood typically has the most crime, if they were always the ones sent to police it, their job would be considerably more difficult and dangerous.


Oh my freaking god! Do you realize how racist this sounds?

I can only imagine that people who think like this are the exact reason why these protests need to happen.


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07 Jun 2020, 7:44 am

Bradleigh wrote:
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I wonder if that might discourage blacks from joining the force? Since the black neighbourhood typically has the most crime, if they were always the ones sent to police it, their job would be considerably more difficult and dangerous.


Oh my freaking god! Do you realize how racist this sounds?

I can only imagine that people who think like this are the exact reason why these protests need to happen.

It is simply the truth.

I don't think the reason for the crime is black skin. It's a mix of other factors.



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07 Jun 2020, 7:57 am

Bradleigh wrote:
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I wonder if that might discourage blacks from joining the force? Since the black neighbourhood typically has the most crime, if they were always the ones sent to police it, their job would be considerably more difficult and dangerous.


Oh my freaking god! Do you realize how racist this sounds?

I can only imagine that people who think like this are the exact reason why these protests need to happen.


No, those people would prefer to hire cops who live outside of the region, have no connection to the community and will happily use overwhelming force against people they don't identify at all with.


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07 Jun 2020, 7:58 am

There are many black people who are tired of the BS. Many become cops.



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07 Jun 2020, 8:27 am

Bradleigh wrote:
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I wonder if that might discourage blacks from joining the force? Since the black neighbourhood typically has the most crime, if they were always the ones sent to police it, their job would be considerably more difficult and dangerous.


Oh my freaking god! Do you realize how racist this sounds?

I can only imagine that people who think like this are the exact reason why these protests need to happen.


You may consider his comments racist,
But is it accurate?
"The truth is the Truth,
No matter where it may lie".
And,
"The Truth is never politically incorrect,
People make it so."

Statistics indicate there is a higher level of "black" crime in certain areas.
This is the case here in Australia, in some areas also.
Pretending reality doesn't exist is hardly rational.
Can you explain to me why you find the truth so threatening?



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07 Jun 2020, 8:32 am

Drake wrote:
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I wonder if that might discourage blacks from joining the force? Since the black neighbourhood typically has the most crime, if they were always the ones sent to police it, their job would be considerably more difficult and dangerous.


Oh my freaking god! Do you realize how racist this sounds?

I can only imagine that people who think like this are the exact reason why these protests need to happen.

It is simply the truth.

I don't think the reason for the crime is black skin. It's a mix of other factors.


He is following a narrative, I believe.
If so, that interferes with his objectivity.
My best guess is the problem is his. <shrug>



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07 Jun 2020, 9:35 am

Pepe wrote:
You may consider his comments racist,
But is it accurate?
"The truth is the Truth,
No matter where it may lie".
And,
"The Truth is never politically incorrect,
People make it so."

Statistics indicate there is a higher level of "black" crime in certain areas.
This is the case here in Australia, in some areas also.
Pretending reality doesn't exist is hardly rational.
Can you explain to me why you find the truth so threatening?


And something is not necessarily true just because it is politically incorrect.

And those reasons are nothing about race, but generally socioeconomic problems that were likely born from racist programs in the past, and current, and only made worse by further perpetuating racial stereotypes such as being more dangerous. That it is not the fact that it has actually been the harsh policing in black areas has created larger mistrust of law enforcement which creates these statistics of more crime.

Pepe wrote:
He is following a narrative, I believe.
If so, that interferes with his objectivity.
My best guess is the problem is his. <shrug>


You know, you think that your clever, but you are just acting like a word that I can't use because Americans are too sensitive to it.
From most of my interactions with you it is you who are following a narrative that blocks your objectivity. You have your little bubble where you think that you can explain away the problems in the world as the problems of those groups, listening to Andrew Bolt who scaremongers over his venomous beliefs against minorities like he does not actually add to the problem of creating conflict. And then if things get too real you make jokes about everyone like you are above it all, because there is no way you want to admit that maybe you could be wrong in a way that could mean rhetoric you take part in may make the world a worse place.

But sure, it is my problem.


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07 Jun 2020, 9:46 am

Bradleigh wrote:
Pepe wrote:
You may consider his comments racist,
But is it accurate?
"The truth is the Truth,
No matter where it may lie".
And,
"The Truth is never politically incorrect,
People make it so."

Statistics indicate there is a higher level of "black" crime in certain areas.
This is the case here in Australia, in some areas also.
Pretending reality doesn't exist is hardly rational.
Can you explain to me why you find the truth so threatening?


And something is not necessarily true just because it is politically incorrect.

And those reasons are nothing about race, but generally socioeconomic problems that were likely born from racist programs in the past, and current, and only made worse by further perpetuating racial stereotypes such as being more dangerous. That it is not the fact that it has actually been the harsh policing in black areas has created larger mistrust of law enforcement which creates these statistics of more crime.

Pepe wrote:
He is following a narrative, I believe.
If so, that interferes with his objectivity.
My best guess is the problem is his. <shrug>


You know, you think that your clever, but you are just acting like a word that I can't use because Americans are too sensitive to it.
From most of my interactions with you it is you who are following a narrative that blocks your objectivity. You have your little bubble where you think that you can explain away the problems in the world as the problems of those groups, listening to Andrew Bolt who scaremongers over his venomous beliefs against minorities like he does not actually add to the problem of creating conflict. And then if things get too real you make jokes about everyone like you are above it all, because there is no way you want to admit that maybe you could be wrong in a way that could mean rhetoric you take part in may make the world a worse place.

But sure, it is my problem.


Pepe's also an Aussie, if you call him a c**t he'll just assume you mean a good bloke.


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07 Jun 2020, 10:33 am

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I proclaim my house a community of one. I decree no law enforcement is valid here.

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You need to get out in the sun more, dood! 8O

and more so go get your hair straightened at least .


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07 Jun 2020, 1:41 pm

Well a lot of this issue is because the prosecutors do not want to prosecute police for murder, the same way they do non-police but why is that? It's not like the police have a lot of power over the prosecutor. If an officer refuses to cooperate with a prosecutor, because the officer doesn't like them, then that officer will be fired if they choose to not cooperate in any cases, so if they will be fired for that, then what power do the police really have over a prosecutor then, that the prosecutor would not want to prosecute an officer for murder the same way?



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07 Jun 2020, 2:39 pm

My town eliminated its police department a few years ago. On those occasions where police are needed, the county sheriff's department shows up.

It came about when the police started going a bit nuts. There were allegations about one cop, in particular, trying to instigate trouble in order to create an issue that he could use to sue the city for large amounts of money. I don't know how accurate those allegations are.

It started a big rift in the city. Not knowing sufficient details, I did my best to stay out of it.



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07 Jun 2020, 6:00 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
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I wonder if that might discourage blacks from joining the force? Since the black neighbourhood typically has the most crime, if they were always the ones sent to police it, their job would be considerably more difficult and dangerous.


Oh my freaking god! Do you realize how racist this sounds?

I can only imagine that people who think like this are the exact reason why these protests need to happen.


No, those people would prefer to hire cops who live outside of the region, have no connection to the community and will happily use overwhelming force against people they don't identify at all with.


So you want segregation of the police force and communities? Democrats sure do seem to love segregation :roll:
Segregation of the south was democrat run and stopped by republicans. No they call for only black cops to be allowed in black communities.
Can’t wait for the black cops only and white cops only signs to go up


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07 Jun 2020, 6:03 pm

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There are many black people who are tired of the BS. Many become cops.

And they get called slaves or race traitors for doing it and attacked.

That’s the real reason many minority don’t become cops.


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07 Jun 2020, 6:07 pm

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My town eliminated its police department a few years ago. On those occasions where police are needed, the county sheriff's department shows up.

It came about when the police started going a bit nuts. There were allegations about one cop, in particular, trying to instigate trouble in order to create an issue that he could use to sue the city for large amounts of money. I don't know how accurate those allegations are.

It started a big rift in the city. Not knowing sufficient details, I did my best to stay out of it.


Sheriffs department are police.
A lady in my state was beat and raped. Cause her cities loli e only worked 9-5 weekdays due to budget cuts and the nearest state trooper was 1 hour away. All 911 could do was listen in horror. That’s what it’d be like on. A national scale if we got rid of all police.


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07 Jun 2020, 7:12 pm

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There are many black people who are tired of the BS. Many become cops.

And they get called slaves or race traitors for doing it and attacked.

That’s the real reason many minority don’t become cops.


A long history of distrust in both directions due to a long history of racism certain doesn't play a role in that.


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