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06 Oct 2020, 8:20 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
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Many conservatives support the environment/conservation of wildlife....but they like hunting animals with guns
These two are not contradictory, but in fact depend on each other.
Indeed.  The legally-sanctioned culling of wild herds is essential for maintaining those herds at reasonable levels.  Eliminate deer-hunting, for example, and the deer population would explode, vegetation would be over-grazed, and many deer would die of starvation and disease..



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06 Oct 2020, 8:30 am

Fnord wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Many conservatives support the environment/conservation of wildlife....but they like hunting animals with guns
These two are not contradictory, but in fact depend on each other.
Indeed.  The legally-sanctioned culling of wild herds is essential for maintaining those herds at reasonable levels.  Eliminate deer-hunting, for example, and the deer population would explode, vegetation would be over-grazed, and many deer would die of starvation and disease..
Also, hunting requires wildlife habitat protection.


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06 Oct 2020, 9:08 am

I think there are quite a few liberals in the elites and arguably middle classes who don't like saying anything that might offend someone they could feasibly have a dinner party with - for eg a racist or homophobic comment - but who will earn money however they can - including in the case of the rich sweatshop labour from poorer parts of the world.

It's like they don't humanise the source of their profits. They'll never have a conversation with the people they're underpaying, the children they're employing in other countries to do adults jobs etc. So they don't have to care about offending them or even actually hurting them - it's consequence free for them to do that.

I say 'arguably middle classes too' rather than 'and the middle class' because my family's middle class, most people we know are middle class, and most people we know have jobs either in the arts or helping others, for eg through teaching or being a doctor. Those things benefit society rather than being selfish. But as much as we care about not hurting the feelings of people we might be friends with, about healing people and teaching kids etc, my generation being very lgbt friendly and pro blm movement, my mum's generation being pro-immigration and vegan etc, we don't necessarily look at where we get our things from and the oppression involved in making them.

Working classes and middle classes in the UK will know each other and have friends between classes in a way that rich people don't know us and aren't our friends. They're more closed off and the gap is wider. Many of them, we know their name and they'll never know the names of us - the middle class and working class people who keep them at the top.


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