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05 Oct 2020, 12:21 pm

Understandable.



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05 Oct 2020, 12:28 pm

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The question isn't directed at me but I feel many will have similar feelings on this topic.

Basically being loud and proud about it isn't a sign of a modest person. It makes me assume that people who are loud about it are somewhat full of themselves.


Exactly. Why their need to tell the entire world about something private and make a big deal out of it?

If I'm walking down the street to go to the mall, I'm not interested in some strangers private thoughts being displayed in front of me by some half-naked weirdos, just because they want to "rebel against having once been oppressed". They're not oppressed anymore, so no need for their prides - at all.

It's all over the news once a year or so. It's intrusive, its indecent and it is violating modesty.
They're the oppressors now.



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05 Oct 2020, 12:32 pm

Pride parades exist to increase the visibility of gay people, draw attention to gay issues, and celebrate a sexual orientation that society has, until recently, criminalized and forced into the shadows.

There are no "straight pride" events because, historically, heterosexuals have never been discriminated against for being heterosexual.

As for "shoving sexuality in people's faces," as an asexual person, I get sexuality thrown at me everyday. Most straight people don't realize how much their sexuality is on display in daily life because it's considered "normal." I manage to get by okay, and you will too (even if you're subjected to the abject horror of seeing someone display a pride flag).


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05 Oct 2020, 12:33 pm

As another example, I have had enjoyable conversations with self-described feminists as we discussed the history of oppression in general and what it means to be equal.  But when a self-described feminist gets in my face to shout profanity and false accusations, that's when I pull away and try to remove myself from the situation, only to be called "sexist" and every other name in the book -- not for expressing sexist ideologies, but for simply not wanting to be yelled at.

Same for some on the political extremes; we get along fine as long as it is a reasonable conversation at reasonable tones; but when I try to avoid the more vocal extremists, they are the ones who start screaming "liberal" and "fascist" -- not for being less conservative/liberal than they, but for not wanting to listen to their lies and abuse.

Do you see the difference?  I do not avoid people for what they believe in, but for the way they treat others.

(Pedophiles are the exception -- I will avoid those bustards by any means possible.)


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05 Oct 2020, 12:41 pm

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Pride parades exist to increase the visibility of gay people, draw attention to gay issues, and celebrate a sexual orientation that society has, until recently, criminalized and forced into the shadows...
All well and good, to be sure; but that does not mean that I am required to attend or even observe remotely.

Does that mean I am a mean, nasty awful, low-life homophobe?  No, that just means I have better things to do than stand on a hot, crowded sidewalk to watch a parade.  Heck, I live about 35 miles from Pasadena, and I have never even been to the Rose Parade!  Does that make me a ... uh ... "parade-o-phobe" ... ?

:scratch: Is that what it is called?


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05 Oct 2020, 12:44 pm

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Pride parades exist to increase the visibility of gay people, draw attention to gay issues, and celebrate a sexual orientation that society has, until recently, criminalized and forced into the shadows...
All well and good, to be sure; but that does not mean that I am required to attend or even observe remotely.


I don't know of any queer person who thinks people should be forced to attend pride events.


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05 Oct 2020, 12:47 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
Pride parades exist to increase the visibility of gay people, draw attention to gay issues, and celebrate a sexual orientation that society has, until recently, criminalized and forced into the shadows.

There are no "straight pride" events because, historically, heterosexuals have never been discriminated against for being heterosexual.

As for "shoving sexuality in people's faces," as an asexual person, I get sexuality thrown at me everyday. Most straight people don't realize how much their sexuality is on display in daily life because it's considered "normal." I manage to get by okay, and you will too (even if you're subjected to the abject horror of seeing someone display a pride flag).


I don't mind gay pride. It's more of a celebration. LGBT advocacy has gone to far in my eyes. A lot of LGBT activism seems more like a series of demands (some bizarre) than raising awarenes. Over recent years I have had issues in particular with sexual harassment from emboldened trans people.



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05 Oct 2020, 12:49 pm

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Pride parades exist to increase the visibility of gay people, draw attention to gay issues, and celebrate a sexual orientation that society has, until recently, criminalized and forced into the shadows...
All well and good, to be sure; but that does not mean that I am required to attend or even observe remotely.
I don't know of any queer person who thinks people should be forced to attend pride events.
I have met a few, and the sentiment being expressed is more along the lines of "If you don't, you're homophobic".


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05 Oct 2020, 1:14 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
Pride parades exist to increase the visibility of gay people, draw attention to gay issues, and celebrate a sexual orientation that society has, until recently, criminalized and forced into the shadows.

There are no "straight pride" events because, historically, heterosexuals have never been discriminated against for being heterosexual.

As for "shoving sexuality in people's faces," as an asexual person, I get sexuality thrown at me everyday. Most straight people don't realize how much their sexuality is on display in daily life because it's considered "normal." I manage to get by okay, and you will too (even if you're subjected to the abject horror of seeing someone display a pride flag).



Can you explain how exactly it's shoved in your face?

I go in my daily life and not once is sex ever brought up and no one ever asks me about my sex life nor do they ask me any personal questions and I don't ask them any personal questions about their relationship with their partners like how they have sex.


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05 Oct 2020, 1:43 pm

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Pride parades exist to increase the visibility of gay people, draw attention to gay issues, and celebrate a sexual orientation that society has, until recently, criminalized and forced into the shadows.

There are no "straight pride" events because, historically, heterosexuals have never been discriminated against for being heterosexual.

As for "shoving sexuality in people's faces," as an asexual person, I get sexuality thrown at me everyday. Most straight people don't realize how much their sexuality is on display in daily life because it's considered "normal." I manage to get by okay, and you will too (even if you're subjected to the abject horror of seeing someone display a pride flag).



Can you explain how exactly it's shoved in your face?

I go in my daily life and not once is sex ever brought up and no one ever asks me about my sex life nor do they ask me any personal questions and I don't ask them any personal questions about their relationship with their partners like how they have sex.


People talk about their relationships and sex lives all the time. They blab about which celebrities they find attractive, show off engagement rings, and assume everybody else is an allosexual.

Sex and romance are blasted on TV, in commercials, and in just about every song on the radio. People are quite comfortable questioning me about my supposed lesbianism, transgender status, or anything else they're curious about.

But all of this is considered "normal" in an allosexual-centric society, so no one notices it.


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05 Oct 2020, 2:12 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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I might have to disagree on this one. I believe that these days homosexuality has become so accepted that anyone who doesn't like homosexuality are shamed and labelled "homophobic". In other words it is politically incorrect to not accept homosexuality.



But it is homophobic to not accept it.


But homophobia is just as shamed as what homosexuality once was. It's like people aren't allowed to have their own opinions these days.



Hating someone for who they are is not an opinion. People have died from homophobia and have been oppressed because of their sexuality so this "opinion" should not be tolerated. Also gay people have been disowned and abused by family members for being gay so this is not something to be taken lightly.


It is an opinion albeit a bigoted opinion if the person does not act upon those thoughts.

Back to why it is not accepted as so many have said religion plays a big role. If you have faith in religion with a homophobic doctrine you are much more likely to be a homophobe.

What I usually do not see discussed is sexual preference, specifically if one finds the physical act between two people of the same gender disgusting. Lesbian porn has become a goldmine because a lot of guys are turned on by women having sex with each other. A lot of these same guys are repulsed by the sight of two men having sex with each other. It is too easy to expand this personal instinctual reaction into believing that any attraction and beyond between two members of the same sex is wrong.



Not wanting to see porn nor wanting to read or hear about it is not homophobia. Lot of people don't like porn or want to hear about your sex life. That doesn't mean they are intolerant of your "lifestyle" or relationship. It's the same with straight couples too. I don't want to hear about you having sex or how you had it and what you did in bed, same as for my parents. I don't know anyone who has told anyone details about their sex lives other than saying "we slept together."

I also think it's quite normal for people to not want to read about gay sex, I am sure gay people feel the same way about straight sex. I can't imagine what life must have been like for them when they were still in the closet and tried to live a straight life and have straight sex. I can't imagine myself trying to have it with another woman. That is because I am not a lesbian and I am sure that is how gay people feel about the opposite sex.

No hostility there.

And there are people who are turned off by sex and disgusted by it so they never have it or don't have a relationship.
I found out that there are asexuals who do have sex and enjoy having it but they are just not sexually attracted to anyone.

But this does not mean anyone is against straight lives or gay lives, etc.

I won't even read fetish ebooks because lot of them are not my cup of tea because of too much sex or other things I am not into and it's too hardcore for me.


There is nothing wrong with being turned off by same-gender sex. Homophobia is bad. I was just suggesting that people are projecting their personal preferences onto everybody who engages in what they don't like.


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05 Oct 2020, 3:14 pm

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People talk about their relationships and sex lives all the time.  They blab about which celebrities they find attractive, show off engagement rings, and assume everybody else is an allosexual.

Sex and romance are blasted on TV, in commercials, and in just about every song on the radio.  People are quite comfortable questioning me about my supposed lesbianism, transgender status, or anything else they're curious about.

But all of this is considered "normal" in an allosexual-centric society, so no one notices it.
Agreed.  Just about every Top-40 'Boomer' song seems to be about anticipating love/sex, having love/sex, or missing the love/sex one used to have.  Country-Western music is no better, and Hip-Hop is much, much worse.

The prof from my marketing class used to toss around a lot of advertising maxims/slogans.  One of them was "Sell the sizzle, not the steak", meaning to pitch the sensory/sensuous experience associated with a product and not the product itself.  The result is a lot of young, svelte, and shapely women in ads for anything else a man might want -- power tools, beer, trucks, shavers -- with the implied promise that buying those products will make a man more attractive to (you guessed it) young, svelte, and shapely women.  It's become ridiculous.


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05 Oct 2020, 4:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
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People talk about their relationships and sex lives all the time.  They blab about which celebrities they find attractive, show off engagement rings, and assume everybody else is an allosexual.

Sex and romance are blasted on TV, in commercials, and in just about every song on the radio.  People are quite comfortable questioning me about my supposed lesbianism, transgender status, or anything else they're curious about.

But all of this is considered "normal" in an allosexual-centric society, so no one notices it.
Agreed.  Just about every Top-40 'Boomer' song seems to be about anticipating love/sex, having love/sex, or missing the love/sex one used to have.  Country-Western music is no better, and Hip-Hop is much, much worse.

The prof from my marketing class used to toss around a lot of advertising maxims/slogans.  One of them was "Sell the sizzle, not the steak", meaning to pitch the sensory/sensuous experience associated with a product and not the product itself.  The result is a lot of young, svelte, and shapely women in ads for anything else a man might want -- power tools, beer, trucks, shavers -- with the implied promise that buying those products will make a man more attractive to (you guessed it) young, svelte, and shapely women.  It's become ridiculous.


I always thought country songs were about the girl leaving and taking the guy's truck.


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05 Oct 2020, 4:16 pm

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I have nothing against them, as long as they keep it to themselves...
I feel the same way, especially toward evangelicals, dog-breeders/trainers, sports enthusiasts, vegans, vegetarians, Amway/Nutrilite representatives, fashion designers, psychics, telemarketers, street racers, skateboarders, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and the schizophrenic neighbor who goes off her meds every few months.
Why is them not keeping quiet about it offensive?
It is when they get all loud and rude about whatever their interests may be while coming down on me for not sharing their interests.

Especially that schizophrenic neighbor, she gets downright nasty.
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Won’t someone please spare the dog trainers ?


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People talk about their relationships and sex lives all the time.  They blab about which celebrities they find attractive, show off engagement rings, and assume everybody else is an allosexual.

Sex and romance are blasted on TV, in commercials, and in just about every song on the radio.  People are quite comfortable questioning me about my supposed lesbianism, transgender status, or anything else they're curious about.

But all of this is considered "normal" in an allosexual-centric society, so no one notices it.
Agreed.  Just about every Top-40 'Boomer' song seems to be about anticipating love/sex, having love/sex, or missing the love/sex one used to have.  Country-Western music is no better, and Hip-Hop is much, much worse.

The prof from my marketing class used to toss around a lot of advertising maxims/slogans.  One of them was "Sell the sizzle, not the steak", meaning to pitch the sensory/sensuous experience associated with a product and not the product itself.  The result is a lot of young, svelte, and shapely women in ads for anything else a man might want -- power tools, beer, trucks, shavers -- with the implied promise that buying those products will make a man more attractive to (you guessed it) young, svelte, and shapely women.  It's become ridiculous.


I always thought country songs were about the girl leaving and taking the guy's truck.
That falls under "missing the love/sex one used to have".


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Jakki wrote:
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I have nothing against them, as long as they keep it to themselves...
I feel the same way, especially toward evangelicals, dog-breeders/trainers, sports enthusiasts, vegans, vegetarians, Amway/Nutrilite representatives, fashion designers, psychics, telemarketers, street racers, skateboarders, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, and the schizophrenic neighbor who goes off her meds every few months.
Why is them not keeping quiet about it offensive?
It is when they get all loud and rude about whatever their interests may be while coming down on me for not sharing their interests.  Especially that schizophrenic neighbor, she gets downright nasty.
Won’t someone please spare the dog trainers ?
Not when they live right next door.


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