Required reading for male feminists

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People with the attitude that women are always good and men are always bad, and who voice such an attitude in the name of feminism, are female-tribalistic fanatics. Unfortunately, every political movement attracts its share of tribalistic fanatics who see everything in terms of us-vs.-them.

But such tribalistic fanaticism is not the essence of feminism, or of any other movement for the human rights of people who have been marginalized in whatever way. Movements for the rights of various categories of marginalized people are still valid political causes.

Another real problem that I think may be contributing to your difficulties with feminists: Most people in general, including (but certainly not limited to) most feminists at the present time, don't understand autism, and don't understand that autism makes an autistic man significantly less "privileged" than NT males, other factors being equal.

The way to remedy this issue is not by bashing feminism per se, but by doing what we can to build the autistic community, which currently is very underdeveloped. Once we have a better-organized community, we are more likely to be seen as a member in good standing of the alliance of marginalized groups, and then it will be more widely understood that an autistic man is not necessarily (or, at least, not in every significant way) more "privileged" than an NT woman.

Unfortunately, our social difficulties make organizing hard. But we need to find ways to do it. See my Longterm visions for the autistic community, and see also my new page about the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.


Aargh.... Such attitudes toward autistic (and/or otherwise disabled) men are, alas, common. As I see it, though, the main problem here isn't necessarily "misandry" per se but a disregard for the situation of autistic (and/or otherwise disabled) men, in particular.

I also see an irony here. The attitudes you've encountered among online feminists are an almost exact mirror image of the attitudes that second-wave feminists encountered from the New Left back in the late 1960's. A common response to feminists by male leftists back then was, "Who's oppressing you, you over-privileged b****?"

But what soon succeeded in getting rid of those attitudes, on the part of leftists, was the feminist movement continuing to grow and organize, until it got big enough that it had to be taken seriously.

Similarly, to be taken seriously, we too need to organize, and we need to set an example of how to accommodate each other's needs.


Your mother was certainly being abusive here. I am very sorry to hear that you had to endure this from your own mother.

The abortion tweet/comment comes across as self depricating.

Use Occam's Razor.

Most people are straight. Most people are cis.

Cis het men can impregnate women.

No proof the woman is cheating (if you're reading into it, that's misogyny).

"My girl".

So: a guy saying "My girl* just got pregnant**... I wonder if it's a girl [takes after her mother - damn I love my girlfriend] or a mistake [takes after his father - ie 'damn I hate myself]'"

*My girlfriend
** I just got my girlfriend pregnant

Life experience is a good starting point for politics but it's a good idea to back it up with actual reading from non-mentally ill authors & statistics & just understanding what your opponent means by the name of their movement so for eg I don't think 'capitalist' means 'person who wants to be Scrooge McDuck' I think it means 'person who sincerely believes in the trickle down effect and the notion that government is oppressive'.

And yes, misandrists are scum.

How old are you btw? I was working with older women & they were pretty misandrist. Came from growing up in the 40s/50s with dad allowed a lot greater freedom then mum. They would say anti-man stuff which just wasn't true in my experience like "Men are lazy. Women's work is an every day thing, men's work is a once a week at best thing" - rather than "cooking and cleaning is an every day thing, carving the turkey and putting the bins out is a once a week thing so dividing the tasks doesn't mean one person does the bins and one person cooks every single meal". It never occurred to them that anyone could do these tasks & they'd had a lifetime having to do them... So they were bitter against men. Only time cooking has been an exclusively female thing in my life has been when mum was the only adult in the house.

The same Tweet (with the genders flipped) is also the first post on the #killallwomen hashtag.

The original form seems to have been “are you having a boy or an abortion?” from a 2012 Sacha Baron-Cohen film called “The Dictator”.

So let me get this straight - we’re expected to hate feminism because OP is unfamiliar with the concept of satire?

If you continue to see yourself as a victim, you will continue to be a victim -- someone who is always on the receiving end of a "raw deal", who always seems to have someone else to blame, and who always seems to have an excuse.

The sooner you ditch that victim mentality and take charge of your life, the sooner you will start having a better life.  No, it will not happen right away, but you will eventually be able to look back on your life and honestly say, "I may have once been a victim; but I know now that I am really a survivor."

I just checked it. The person who created the hashtag made it very clear that it was a satirical response to #killallmen that's meant to drive home the point of how hateful it is, making it clear that its very existence and creation were ironic. Following is a response from a feminist complaining that its not the same because all men oppress all women and the opposite never happens, demonstrating that there never was any irony behind its intent.



No. Just because feminism doesn't advocate from anything as extreme as a male genocide doesn't mean its not a hateful ideology. On one hand, you have a group of people who subscribe to a hateful ideology that openly bashes and belittles all men just for being men and attempts to blame us for all the world's problems, and on the other hand a group of people who object to that ideology. This is not in any way a valid comparison.

And no, modern feminism is not about women's rights; its about misandry. Women's rights is just what feminists hide behind to shield themselves from criticism. This is proven by the never ending barrage of hateful man-bashing from feminists across social media. And whenever anyone attempts to make a legitimate criticism of any of these man-haters the feminist community responds by attempting to drown them out by screaming "misogyny", just as you yourself are doing right now.



The gender flipped tweet is clearly ironic. Note that the original version you cite is anti-male.

I do understand satire just fine. But I see no evidence that #killallmen is satire, and it is consistent with all the other man-hating rhetoric that has been circulating social media unchecked for years. But you'll just claim that's al satire too. In fact, I bet even the SCUM Manifesto itself was satire. And the attempted murder of Andy Warhol was just Solanas committing to the bit, right? Its clear that you're just trying to back pedal by claiming that any and all of the overwhelming volume of man-bashing from feminists is just satire.

Additionally, even if it was satire that would not make it acceptable. If someone were to create a work that satirically depicted women or minorities in bigoted ways, we would not give it a pass on the grounds that its satire. If #killallmen did not already exists when someone created a clearly satirical #killallwomen there would be riots. Not to mention the fact that Twitter would immediately delete the hashtag and permanently ban its creator. The only reason this didn't happen is because feminists are aware that, because it was clearly created as a satirical response to their own hashtag, doing so would expose their hypocrisy.

I have never met a self-identified feminist, including my own mother, who did not treat me with contempt simply because I'm male.

You aimed this thread at male feminists, do you think they would be contemptuous of you for being male? The things you've gone through are horrible but not all people who claim to be feminists are the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GccCWo_eZdw

Even when people see a man being abused right in front of them, they all just "well surely he must have done something to deserve it."

But don't tell me. Let me guess: "men never get abused by women in real life." Right?

As far as I know men get abused more often by women than the other way round. It's just that the difference in muscle mass makes violence by men against women way more dangerous.

That said, how is the woman in the video related to whether all feminism is ultimately about exterminating men?

Yes. I have first hand experience of this.

I am a non-binary feminist, I don't hold contention over you for being male.
Not sure what kind of serious modern feminists you have met that hate you, and I guess themselves, for just being male.

Although I am sure that some people would prescribe that my identity is something like I hate my maleness, although it really not the case. At most I dislike certain toxic attitudes that are often associated with being male (a man), but I assume you are not picking fights to look strong or making fun of people who don't meet some idea of masculinity.

This video appears to have been made in the U.K. Results would likely have been somewhat different had the video been made in other parts of the world, including other parts of the Western world.

For example, had the video been made here in the NYC metro area, there would have been fewer people intervening at all. Those few people who intervened at all would, I think, be much more likely to intervene on behalf of the woman, but not based on any assumption that the quarrel is most likely the man's fault regardless of who is doing the haranguing. Rather, there would be more concern that the woman might be in physical danger, whereas it would be assumed that the man can take care of himself physically if need be.

The real world is not the Internet.

I find the “solution,” frequently, is to actually experience people in real life, rather than spend your hours on the Internet reading crap upon crap.

I don’t actually meet many women who are “radical feminists.” The percentage of radical nuts on sites such as Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc, is much higher than what you find in real life.

Tbh I see the same thing in you as in Valerie.

You're against equal rights for women (all that feminism is) because women have abused you in your life.

Just like her, the correct approach to this would be therapy rather than being against equal rights for the opposite gender/sex.

I've already responded to these exact accusations already. But since you were clearly too distracted by your own assumptions to actually listen to anything I actually said, I guess I'm going to have to repeat myself:

I don't dislike women. I dislike feminists.

I am not opposed to equal rights for women. I support equal rights for women. What I am opposed to is misandry.

Modern feminism is about misandry, not women's rights. Women's rights are only a front feminists hide behind when faced with criticism for their never-ending man-bashing.

I am nothing like Valerie Solanas. Solanas hated men for being men and wanted to murder all of us. I am opposed to feminism. Men are a class of people, while feminism is an ideology of hatred toward a class of people. Objecting to an ideology is not comparable to hating a class of people. I don't believe that I actually have to explain this, let alone explain it repeatedly.

Legal Definition of Feminism: A movement that campaigns for women's rights and interests.  The doctrine advocates social and political rights for women equal to those of men.  Feminism has changed traditional perspectives on a wide range of areas in human life, from culture to law.  Feminist activists have campaigned for women's legal rights such as rights of contract, property rights, and voting rights.  It also promoted women's rights to bodily integrity and autonomy, abortion rights, and reproductive rights.  They have struggled to protect women and girls from domestic violence and sexual exploitation.  During much of its history, feminist movements and theories were led predominantly by middle-class white women from Western Europe and North America.

Source:  Feminism Law and Legal Definition 

@Dorkseid: You seem to have made up your own definition of "Feminism" to suit your own prejudices.

Citing the legal definition does not prove anything regarding what occurs IRL.

Most of the issues listed in that definition were successfully dealt with by First and Second Wave feminists. The only one that remains an ongoing problem in Western countries is the issue of domestic violence and sexual exploitation. And as we all know, that only happens to girls.