21 Feb 2021, 2:53 am
Pepe wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
I'm not entirely sure people in this thread actually thought about this.
Whether we're facing global natural disasters or WW3, how can you all be so sure you WANT to survive?
Whether we're facing global natural disasters or WW3, how can you all be so sure you WANT to survive?
A rational person wouldn't.
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If you were to survive any bad global scenario, you'll witness total destruction, the loss of your entire family and perhaps even become a slave (if you survive WW3 and your country lost to China/Russia).
That's not a life. It's not death either. It's worse than death, and you can't be sure you can end your life in a peaceful and painless way the same way you could before hell broke loose.
That's not a life. It's not death either. It's worse than death, and you can't be sure you can end your life in a peaceful and painless way the same way you could before hell broke loose.
Agreed.
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For example, I wonder why there were plans to protect civilians during the cold war. Why would I want my life protected? I'd rather be dead than survive WW3. They should've reserved some nukes and conventional weapons, to bomb our own cities, as mercy killing.
I'd strongly prefer to be mercifully killed by my own government, than become a slave of Russia or China.
I'd strongly prefer to be mercifully killed by my own government, than become a slave of Russia or China.
Agreed.
Better dead than red, in my book.
If that totalitarian government invades Australia, as their diplomat hinted at, I will first be off to the vet, and then take care of myself in as gentle a way possible.
Dude ...why are you claiming that you agree with him when its obvious that you diametrically oppose what he is saying.
you're saying that ...if things got too bad in a post apocalypse that you might off yourself. Kill...yourself. What he is proposing is that...its the job of a remote authority...the government, or the UN, from thousands of miles away to decide whether or not to kill you...by dropping an H bomb on your location to kill you and countless others with you. The issue is less about the killing part, and more about who decides to do the killing. You might opt for survival, or you might not. But either way do you really want the government nuking you\?
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21 Feb 2021, 3:03 am
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Well I would prefer to stay alive and try and survive...even if I have to face something horrible in the future. I don't want to die, though I know it is inevitable but I'd still like to put it off as long as possible.
Another victim of the mindless/selfish evolutionary process.
As I say: "Evolution favours stupidity."
I am not calling you 'stupid', btw.
People are simply victims of their involuntary DNA programming.
Well what is stupid about wanting to survive? Seems like one of the most primitive biological functions to attempt to survive against all odds. I mean I think it would be stupid to end myself before facing some other thing, like mass euthanasia is deadly just like things that could cause danger in the future..doesn't mean I just want to tap out and die before seeing a thing..
As Gandalf says, you can only choose to do what you want with the time you have you cannot choose the time you are given. So yeah even if the time I was given is s**t, I wanna survive it....I mean for like water running out crazy senerios I'd rather spend a few months mad maxing things up before death than just submit to being killed ahead of that. LIke if it comes to that I'd like to see how long I can survive such an environment. I don't wanna throw my life away with the bathwater. I am only 31 I have so many potential years to live and I am not so keen in throwing that away regardless of what horrors I may face in the future.
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21 Feb 2021, 3:15 am
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you're saying that ...if things got too bad in a post apocalypse that you might off yourself. Kill...yourself. What he is proposing is that...its the job of a remote authority...the government, or the UN, from thousands of miles away to decide whether or not to kill you...by dropping an H bomb on your location to kill you and countless others with you. The issue is less about the killing part, and more about who decides to do the killing. You might opt for survival, or you might not. But either way do you really want the government nuking you\?
I agree with "better dead than red".
I would do it before the nuke hit.
You do know that this scenario isn't going to happen, in all probability, right?
21 Feb 2021, 3:16 am
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when i die i wanna be elsewhere.
That is what Spike Milligan said!
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21 Feb 2021, 3:22 am
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
you're saying that ...if things got too bad in a post apocalypse that you might off yourself. Kill...yourself. What he is proposing is that...its the job of a remote authority...the government, or the UN, from thousands of miles away to decide whether or not to kill you...by dropping an H bomb on your location to kill you and countless others with you. The issue is less about the killing part, and more about who decides to do the killing. You might opt for survival, or you might not. But either way do you really want the government nuking you\?
I agree with "better dead than red".
I would do it before the nuke hit.
You do know that this scenario isn't going to happen, in all probability, right?
Meh whatever...lol I am sure if it came down to that I still may choose life if that is possible, I mean if some want to kill themselves I guess you can not stop it but for sure i am against mandating it. LIke I figure I am not the only one that would rather survive than get nuked or shot down.
I would not judge someone too harshly if they opted to off themself before such a thing, but I don't think I could willingly do that. I'd rather take the chances and see if there is a way to survive beyond it and maybe even fight it. Not so willing to just be killed pre-emtively like if horrible crap like what is described happens than I'd want to be part of the resistance. Or is the plan not to have a resistance if China takes over...I mean f**k if the french had the french resistance in WW2 why if a WW3 happened and its China who is the big enemy your telling me we cannot resist at all and shouldl just instead off our collective selves. Well no thanks if it comes to my own government thinking its a good idea to mercy kill us with nukes I would desperately seek asylum to other countries who don't think the solution to problems is just to nuke everyone before the problems happen.
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21 Feb 2021, 3:27 am
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
you're saying that ...if things got too bad in a post apocalypse that you might off yourself. Kill...yourself. What he is proposing is that...its the job of a remote authority...the government, or the UN, from thousands of miles away to decide whether or not to kill you...by dropping an H bomb on your location to kill you and countless others with you. The issue is less about the killing part, and more about who decides to do the killing. You might opt for survival, or you might not. But either way do you really want the government nuking you\?
I agree with "better dead than red".
I would do it before the nuke hit.
You do know that this scenario isn't going to happen, in all probability, right?
You do realize that you're still contradicting yourself?
And you do realize that it was the OP who said that "its not a matter of If, its a matter of when" not me ?
If you doubt what the OP said in the premise of the thread then pick that fight with him, not with me.
21 Feb 2021, 3:28 am
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Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I would prefer to stay alive and try and survive...even if I have to face something horrible in the future. I don't want to die, though I know it is inevitable but I'd still like to put it off as long as possible.
Another victim of the mindless/selfish evolutionary process.
As I say: "Evolution favours stupidity."
I am not calling you 'stupid', btw.
People are simply victims of their involuntary DNA programming.
Well what is stupid about wanting to survive? Seems like one of the most primitive biological functions to attempt to survive against all odds. I mean I think it would be stupid to end myself before facing some other thing, like mass euthanasia is deadly just like things that could cause danger in the future..doesn't mean I just want to tap out and die before seeing a thing..
As Gandalf says, you can only choose to do what you want with the time you have you cannot choose the time you are given. So yeah even if the time I was given is s**t, I wanna survive it....I mean for like water running out crazy senerios I'd rather spend a few months mad maxing things up before death than just submit to being killed ahead of that. LIke if it comes to that I'd like to see how long I can survive such an environment. I don't wanna throw my life away with the bathwater. I am only 31 I have so many potential years to live and I am not so keen in throwing that away regardless of what horrors I may face in the future.
I have a survival instinct also.
I have survived gang-stalking for most of my life, remember.
Some people are driven to suicide in a situation like that.
I'm a pretty tough old bugger who knows there are people a lot worse off in the world.
I'm no spring chicken.
Death will embrace me quickly enough.
So I have no reason to help it along, all things being equal.
I am just saying, the entire life system is a nonsense, to me, and there isn't any intrinsic meaning.
I am a hardcore atheist and a softcore nihilist, after all.
If you want to survive until old age, I will let you.
Are you a theist, btw?
21 Feb 2021, 3:34 am
naturalplastic wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
you're saying that ...if things got too bad in a post apocalypse that you might off yourself. Kill...yourself. What he is proposing is that...its the job of a remote authority...the government, or the UN, from thousands of miles away to decide whether or not to kill you...by dropping an H bomb on your location to kill you and countless others with you. The issue is less about the killing part, and more about who decides to do the killing. You might opt for survival, or you might not. But either way do you really want the government nuking you\?
I agree with "better dead than red".
I would do it before the nuke hit.
You do know that this scenario isn't going to happen, in all probability, right?
You do realize that you're still contradicting yourself?
And you do realize that it was the OP who said that "its not a matter of If, its a matter of when" not me ?
If you doubt what the OP said in the premise of the thread then pick that fight with him, not with me.
I think it is clear to most people you are simply trying to yank my chain.
Be my guest. Woof!
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21 Feb 2021, 3:37 am
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I would prefer to stay alive and try and survive...even if I have to face something horrible in the future. I don't want to die, though I know it is inevitable but I'd still like to put it off as long as possible.
Another victim of the mindless/selfish evolutionary process.
As I say: "Evolution favours stupidity."
I am not calling you 'stupid', btw.
People are simply victims of their involuntary DNA programming.
Well what is stupid about wanting to survive? Seems like one of the most primitive biological functions to attempt to survive against all odds. I mean I think it would be stupid to end myself before facing some other thing, like mass euthanasia is deadly just like things that could cause danger in the future..doesn't mean I just want to tap out and die before seeing a thing..
As Gandalf says, you can only choose to do what you want with the time you have you cannot choose the time you are given. So yeah even if the time I was given is s**t, I wanna survive it....I mean for like water running out crazy senerios I'd rather spend a few months mad maxing things up before death than just submit to being killed ahead of that. LIke if it comes to that I'd like to see how long I can survive such an environment. I don't wanna throw my life away with the bathwater. I am only 31 I have so many potential years to live and I am not so keen in throwing that away regardless of what horrors I may face in the future.
I have a survival instinct also.
I have survived gang-stalking for most of my life, remember.
Some people are driven to suicide in a situation like that.
I'm a pretty tough old bugger who knows there are people a lot worse off in the world.
I'm no spring chicken.
Death will embrace me quickly enough.
So I have no reason to help it along, all things being equal.
I am just saying, the entire life system is a nonsense, to me, and there isn't any intrinsic meaning.
I am a hardcore atheist and a softcore nihilist, after all.
If you want to survive until old age, I will let you.
Are you a theist, btw?
Nope not a theist, just an atheistic satanist, but yeah like if the end is the end I'd rather experience life as long as possible even if it gets bad, than just off myself before it. Like IDK if I was sent into battle with a cyinide capsule I think I'd rather just surrender than taking the kill myself pill. So I mean don't send me into battle, I will not be reliable...at all.
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