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26 Feb 2021, 11:31 am

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Is that actually a thing; being told to be "less white"?
Not in any Employee's Handbook I have ever read or in and Sensitivity Training I have ever attended.

Coca-Cola's racism be damned, however.  It is as offensive as:

• "Have you tried being less gay?"

• "Have you tried being less religious?"

• Have you tried being less intellectual?"

• Have you tried being less autistic?"



But aren't Coca-Cola just promoting "equality" and "inclusion"? And can't private companies just do what they want? :wink:

Did you think the Woke Train was only going to go as far as you wanted and no further?

Maybe we could get cyberdad, Walrus or jrjones to join this thread to explain to us how Coca-Cola are really the good guys.



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03 Mar 2021, 2:10 am

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Looked at in context, it was questioning how an inclusive term "all" can possibly be considered "racist" (or exclusionary of certain parts of the whole) when a patently exclusive term "Black" is considered "inclusive", even though it specifically excludes a large portion of the population.


Because you need to look at the history of a term instead of just definitions of individual words out of context, and understand that "all lives matter' was made to directly oppose "black lives matter" as a way of considering specific grievances of the black community.


In order to ensure what is stated is understood by all parties, a common definition of terms is required. If your "message" requires a redefinition of a word, taking it outside the common\universal understanding of its meaning, to give it a distorted definition to support one side of the discussion, that indicates the party doing so is acting in a knowingly dishonest manner.

There is nothing "bigoted" or "racist" in stating that "all lives matter". The fact it was created as a "counter" to "Black lives matter" merely demonstrates that many people were not willing to support what is inherently a racist\exclusionary message and preferred to make an race-blind\inclusive message instead.

If your message is merely that "X lives matter", then it is perfectly understandable that people will take offence, given you have purposefully inferred that the lives of those who are not "X" do not matter. Trying to claim that "X" also includes "not X" is merely an attempt to dishonestly redefine "X" in order to hide the bigotry and racism of those who cling to "X lives matter" - If they truly believed "All lives matter", there is nothing (outside their personal racsim\bigotry) preventing them saying this instead.




For crying out loud, have you not read at least some Wittgenstein?
We*do*not*have*a*common*definition*of*words. Ever.


Ah...something like this...
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03 Mar 2021, 3:30 am

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Put simply, to claim "X lives matter" is to imply that "'Non-X' lives do not matter" (or alternatively "X lives are more important than 'non-X' lives"). As such, the only inclusive possibility to avoid this would be to use 'All' in place of any race based identifier - The use of a race based identifier marks the statement (and those "believing" in it) as bigots\racists who elevate the given race above all others. Yet, strangely enough, these same bigots\racists seem to have invented their own "definition" of 'all', such that in their minds it means something completely outside all universally recognised understanding of the term in order to justify their use of bigoted\racist statements...


A simple solution would be to uncover the hidden qualifier "too".
I.E. Black Lives Matter Too.


Nit as good a slogan though


The slogan was a poor choice, imo.



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03 Mar 2021, 3:32 am

It's an assertion, not a slogan. You're confusing marketing with free speech. I think splitting hairs on this subject is tasteless on the part of most of us.


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03 Mar 2021, 11:42 am

1. Mayonnaise is not too spicy. :roll: :p

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03 Mar 2021, 3:15 pm

But it's not socially acceptable to say men are pigs or Pepe is sexist.

Besides, skunks and calicos [female cats] are obviously superior because of their multiple colors. And so is the gay flag.


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03 Mar 2021, 3:34 pm

I once had a beautiful White Calico named Whitie. She only hissed once throughout the time I knew her. At the Vet when she was getting a shot for "cat flu."



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03 Mar 2021, 3:45 pm

because gays are many, gays are varied.

But lesbians have a pinker flag. Pink is majorly present.


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03 Mar 2021, 3:54 pm

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I once had a beautiful White Calico named Whitie. She only hissed once throughout the time I knew her. At the Vet when she was getting a shot for "cat flu."

I used to be terrified and escaped once from the vaccine but dad caught me on the stairs down. I think I hid somewhere so they called my parents. I had horrible nightmares about vaccines about every night.

Shes not much of an antivax compared to Trump. Well behaved too.


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03 Mar 2021, 3:58 pm

Whitie was a virtuous kitty.....yes!



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03 Mar 2021, 6:46 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's the context, really.

Obviously, "all lives matter."

But some people use "all lives matter" as a criticism of "black lives matter."

Or as I like to say, not all lives matter. Do something to make yourself matter.

Does my life matter? Probably not. Or could be a matter of perspective.

Also, I'm of the opinion that racoons are superior to skunks. *puts on a flame suit and sprays moderator repellent*



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04 Mar 2021, 5:51 am

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kraftiekortie wrote:
It's the context, really.

Obviously, "all lives matter."

But some people use "all lives matter" as a criticism of "black lives matter."

Or as I like to say, not all lives matter. Do something to make yourself matter.

Does my life matter? Probably not. Or could be a matter of perspective.

Also, I'm of the opinion that racoons are superior to skunks. *puts on a flame suit and sprays moderator repellent*

That fine ass can never be moderated enough.


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04 Mar 2021, 6:13 am

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It's an assertion, not a slogan. You're confusing marketing with free speech. I think splitting hairs on this subject is tasteless on the part of most of us.


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slogan

noun: slogan; plural noun: slogans

1.
a short and striking or memorable phrase used in advertising.



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04 Mar 2021, 6:18 am

Rexi wrote:
But it's not socially acceptable to say men are pigs or Pepe is sexist.

Besides, skunks and calicos [female cats] are obviously superior because of their multiple colors. And so is the gay flag.


Some people confuse irreverent humour with being sexist. 8)

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04 Mar 2021, 6:21 am

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Political slogans used during demonstrations include the eponymous "Black Lives Matter", "Hands up, don't shoot" (a later discredited reference attributed to Michael Brown), "I can't breathe" (referring to Eric Garner), "White silence is violence", "No justice, no peace", and "Is my son next?", among others.

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04 Mar 2021, 6:28 am

Eric Garner WAS strangled....he was being arrested for selling loose cigarettes.