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17 Mar 2021, 5:06 pm

Well I thought that the macho meathead, especially if married to the woman, would not want to burdon himself with kids, even if he is a macho meathead.

But also, a lot of the countries are high crime ridden and have drug problems, if that is correct, so if they do not care about drugs and crimes, then what do they care about condoms, when it comes to the Catholic churches opinion. It's not like criminals ask for the church opinions when it comes to drug production, so why would they listen to them when it comes to condom production?



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17 Mar 2021, 5:10 pm

Because, in some of these cultures, men don't feel like they have to use "protection."

Unfortunately, if a man wants to rape somebody, his first thought is not "let me go out and buy a condom."



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17 Mar 2021, 5:15 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well I thought that the macho meathead, especially if married to the woman, would not want to burdon himself with kids, even if he is a macho meathead.

But also, a lot of the countries are high crime ridden and have drug problems, if that is correct, so if they do not care about drugs and crimes, then what do they care about condoms, when it comes to the Catholic churches opinion. It's not like criminals ask for the church opinions when it comes to drug production, so why would they listen to them when it comes to condom production?


You're arguing hypotheticals that have no connection to reality. Yes, those people could use your logic, but they don't so why speculate more about how they could behave instead of accepting how they do behave?



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17 Mar 2021, 5:17 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Because, in some of these cultures, men don't feel like they have to use "protection."

Unfortunately, if a man wants to rape somebody, his first thought is not "let me go out and buy a condom."


Well I thought that the man might still want to use one just in case, just in case, there is that small chance that the child could be used as evidence against him, if the rape were to have a small chance of going to court.



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17 Mar 2021, 5:20 pm

Rapists don't think about such things, usually.....



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17 Mar 2021, 5:21 pm

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Rapists don't think about such things, usually.....


Especially when their spouse/partner is the one who would need to bring charges.



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17 Mar 2021, 5:26 pm

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Oh I see, it's just for people seeking asylum. But why is the US letting a lot more people seeking asylum in than usual to the point where there is now a 'border crisis'? Is there a reason?

The crisis is in Central America. Some years ago they deported a bunch of gang bangers back to Central America, especially Honduras, who promptly took over. Now everybody is scared s**tless. The worst place is probably San Pedro Sula. Personally I would rather visit the war zone in Syria than that place. The shame is that the US public is almost completely ignorant about the situation.


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17 Mar 2021, 5:30 pm

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i wouldn't be able to successfully emigrate to Canada----unless I married a Canadian, or had family in Canada.


Why don’t they want people emigrating there aside from those circumstances?


We have enough americans, thank you. :lol:

Have you made a formal count? They could easily be deported if necessary.


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17 Mar 2021, 5:30 pm

Oh so you are saying the US made the country worse, by shipping them back?



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17 Mar 2021, 5:32 pm

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Oh so you are saying the US made the country worse, by shipping them back?


If you've got time you should read about the history of MS-13, there's a lot more to understand than one could reasonably expect to get explained over here.



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17 Mar 2021, 5:35 pm

MaxE wrote:
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i wouldn't be able to successfully emigrate to Canada----unless I married a Canadian, or had family in Canada.


Why don’t they want people emigrating there aside from those circumstances?


We have enough americans, thank you. :lol:

Have you made a formal count? They could easily be deported if necessary.


Once here legally, you get to stay.
It's more civilised. ;)



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17 Mar 2021, 5:37 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh so you are saying the US made the country worse, by shipping them back?


If you've got time you should read about the history of MS-13, there's a lot more to understand than one could reasonably expect to get explained over here.


Oh yes I know who MS-13 are in present day activity but I didn't know that the US sent them back there.



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17 Mar 2021, 5:44 pm

ironpony wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh so you are saying the US made the country worse, by shipping them back?


If you've got time you should read about the history of MS-13, there's a lot more to understand than one could reasonably expect to get explained over here.


Oh yes I know who MS-13 are in present day activity but I didn't know that the US sent them back there.



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Mara Salvatrucha, commonly known as MS-13, is an international criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles, California, in the 1970s and 1980s. Originally, the gang was set up to protect Salvadoran immigrants from other gangs in the Los Angeles area. Over time, the gang grew into a more traditional criminal organization. MS-13 is defined by its cruelty, and its rivalry with the 18th Street gang.

Many MS-13 members were deported to El Salvador after the close of the Salvadoran Civil War in 1992, or upon being arrested, facilitating the spread of the gang to Central America.


That's from the Wiki article but it's pretty well documented.

The US has violently meddled in Latin America for decades, first there's the events referred to as the Banana Wars. There was a period where it was reduced but then during the Cold War the Americans sponsored coups and right wing death squads, sometimes funded with the proceeds of the cocaine trade; like in the Contra scandal.



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17 Mar 2021, 5:44 pm

They were in LA street gangs. They committed serious crimes. They weren't citizens. So they got deported.

And now we're paying for it.



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17 Mar 2021, 5:51 pm

Oh okay so the US is paying for it now, because they all want back in now, and the US is letting them in?



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17 Mar 2021, 5:55 pm

ironpony wrote:
Oh okay so the US is paying for it now, because they all want back in now, and the US is letting them in?


No, they're paying for it because they had a small problem on their hands (Salvadorian street gangs) but after changing from a street gang to a prison gang and being dumped in a country that many of them hadn't even grown up in they destabilized it and have contributed to why so many people are now fleeing that region.

The big problem now is a result of how they handled a much smaller problem.