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Hitler murder millions.
Stalin murdered more.
Both were very naughty boyz.
Stalin murdered more.
Both were very naughty boyz.
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27 Apr 2021, 5:46 pm
Fnord wrote:
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All I had to do it once and some hipster dude came out of the toilet called me a Nazi, punched me in the face and while I was knocked out cold, hacked my computer, posted my WP political posts which got me canceled everywhere.
Was he wearing a buffalo hat?
Looked like this guy
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28 Apr 2021, 1:06 am
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
slam_thunderhide wrote:
...communism has killed more people than any other political philosophy in the past 100 years,
Communism is no longer a threat in a world ruled by free market economics. You are throwing around red herrings.
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‘Drums of war’ warnings spread across the world to British news
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China is 'trampling on Hong Kong's democracy'
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Four Ways a China-U.S. War at Sea Could Play Out
Taiwan is the most likely flashpoint, but combat could stretch out as far as the Indian Ocean.
Taiwan is the most likely flashpoint, but combat could stretch out as far as the Indian Ocean.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... alia-india
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China Unleashes Brutal Wolf-Warrior Diplomacy on Australia
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28 Apr 2021, 1:55 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I seem to recall Eisenhower and Patton being anti-fascist, or Antifa. I dare say, being anti-fascist is an American value.
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General Patton questions necessity of Germany's "denazification"
On September 22, 1945, Gen. George S. Patton tells reporters that he does not see the need for “this denazification thing” and compares the controversy over Nazism to a “Democratic and Republican election fight.”
On September 22, 1945, Gen. George S. Patton tells reporters that he does not see the need for “this denazification thing” and compares the controversy over Nazism to a “Democratic and Republican election fight.”
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Patton was appointed Military Governor of Bavaria in July 1945, but his tenure in that position was short. He retained ex-Nazis in positions of authority in Bavaria, justifying this by noting that it was unavoidable because most people with civil service experience had been forced to join the party. When a reporter for a U.S. newspaper challenged this, Patton responded by comparing Nazis to Republicans and Democrats in America.
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Patton’s seeming admiration for Germans, referring to them as “the best race in Europe”; and his evident anti-Semitism, when he accused the U.S Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau Jr. of taking “Semitic revenge against Germany,” did not go down well with the majority of Americans in the immediate aftermath of the war.
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Bazata died in 1999, but Wilcox said that Bazata had given him an interview shortly before his death, in which he told how he had been ordered by William Donovan, head of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the precursor to the CIA, to assassinate General Patton.
Wilcox claimed that Bazata said the accident involving Patton’s car had been set up, and that in the immediate aftermath of the impact Bazata had shot Patton using a weapon which fired a form of rubber bullet, designed to kill without penetrating the body or leaving a recognizable bullet wound.
Wilcox also claimed that Bazata said that when this attempt to kill Patton was unsuccessful, the OSS colluded with the NKVD to allow that organization to poison Patton in the hospital at Heidelberg.
Wilcox claimed that Bazata said the accident involving Patton’s car had been set up, and that in the immediate aftermath of the impact Bazata had shot Patton using a weapon which fired a form of rubber bullet, designed to kill without penetrating the body or leaving a recognizable bullet wound.
Wilcox also claimed that Bazata said that when this attempt to kill Patton was unsuccessful, the OSS colluded with the NKVD to allow that organization to poison Patton in the hospital at Heidelberg.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-ar ... nated.html
I was actually talking about Patton destroying property in the pursuit of anti-fascism.
The glaring reason you didn't mention for Patton's doubts about De-Nazification was that he was certain the cold war with Russia was about to heat up, and that he wanted the spearhead of the Anti-Soviet defense to be the SS.
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Patton’s seeming admiration for Germans, referring to them as “the best race in Europe”
As far as Patton seeing the Germans as the best race in Europe: as an American of German descent, I gotta say...
28 Apr 2021, 2:32 am
uncommondenominator wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Antifa are fascists. Like so many leftist organizations they use double think and name their organization the opposite of what it really is.
Oh, the irony! C'mon now, lad! Pull me other one ... it's got bells on!It IS funny, isn't it? How people are apparently more than capable of grasping the concept that labels don't actually define content when hooting and howling about how "antifa just CALL themselves that!" - but go full amnesia "who what huh?" when confronted with other things that have labels that differ from the content.
It's the same baloney as the double standard where "if they're wearing an antifa shirt, CLEARLY they're antifa terrorists!" - but if they're wearing a MAGA shirt, CLEARLY THEY'RE STILL ANTIFA, IN DISGUISE!! !"
So basically everyone is actually the imaginary badguy boogeyman in disguise, like a villain from scooby-do. How convenient! Everything is actually antifa in disguise!! !
They say "well, the LiBeRaL ElItEs uses welfare programs to control minorities so..." and don't even realize that just from that, they're already neck-deep in regurgitating talking points brought to you by the Ku Klux Klan. Good job!
They say "yeah but, the liberal media..." hey neat, more Klan stuff.
"But Jeff Bezos is..." still Klan stuff.
All the Klan did was replace "jews and blacks" with "liberal elites" and "minorities" to make it sound more "acceptable". These antifa-are-the-REAL-fascists talking points lead right back to the same Klan rhetoric. "Antifa" and "BLM" are just the newest additions to the list of alternative words to "the blacks" - and you'll notice that "antifa" and "BLM" are supposedly under the control of "liberal elites" or "The Left" - stand-ins for "the jews". Who do they point at when they say liberal elites and The Left? Jeff Bezos (jewish) Bernie Sanders (jewish sOcIaLiSt!! !) AOC (minority). I'M SURE that's JUST WILD COINCIDENCE...
"Liberalism will destroy us!" is THE OLDEST anti-Semite slogan around. Between Christianity and Judaism, Judaism is far more liberal. And that liberality was a threat to Christian beliefs, when it ran contrary. Especially regarding sex and other taboos. The fact that Judaism isn't as uptight and allows things that Christianity doesn't was a threat to Christianity's way. Judaism directly contradicted Christian doctrine at many turns. It goes way deeper than that, but that's basically where it comes from to a large extent.
Best of all, someone will inevitably try to claim that what I've said is nothing more than an absurd imaginative conspiracy - and the far more plausible story is the "Liberal A-Blue-Minatti are secretly controlling the world already, and only tucker carlson and mike lydell can save us! EVERYONE is lying except for Skynews and OAN!! !"
This post is full of irrelevant tangents, and is typical of the sort of hysteria that results from people focusing more on virtue signalling than focusing on what is actually being discussed.
The fact of the matter is that antifa calling themselves antifa is a misnomer, and rightists calling antifa “fascists” is also a misnomer. Rightists mischaracterize as “fascism” what they don’t like about antifa (eg, their violence), and antifa mischaracterize as fascism everything they don’t like too (eg, conservatism, capitalism, patriotism, normal behaviour etc). “Fascism” has been a boo-word on both sides of the political spectrum since yje end of World War 2.
That’s it. End of story. Your points about the KKK and Jeff Bezos are completely irrelevant. But since you have brought them up, let’s deal with some of them…
1. I sincerely doubt that the KKK ever used a talking point such as "well, the LiBeRaL ElItEs uses welfare programs to control minorities so..." . Since the KKK openly advocated racial separation they were more likely to say “I don’t want my tax dollars supporting other races and I don’t want to live around them either”. Which is different, do you see?
2. Jeff Bezos is not Jewish. A simple google search would reveal that fact to you. If I were a virtue-signaller like you I might ask what made you think he was Jewish in the first place. But anyway, it’s touching to see you defending him. It must be so hard for him being the richest man in the world!
3. Your tying in of criticisms of liberalism with “anti-semitism” is hilarious. So you’re instructing us we’re not allowed to criticize liberalism now? Don’t you ever think that whining about “anti-semitism” when people haven’t even mentioned Jews might backfire in some way? People might suspect you of “protesting too much”.
4. Claiming that Judaism is more liberal than Christianity is ridiculous. Go and read about the ultra-Orthodox, whose practice of Judaism most closely resembles historical Judaism. Read about all their rules for avoiding being “contaminated” by gentiles. Read about the Israeli rabbis teaching their followers things like “gentile sperm leads to barbaric offspring”. Then compare that to the behaviour of, say, the Pope (which I do not support by the way), welcoming bogus refugees to Europe’s shores and kissing their feet.
uncommondenominator wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
O'Biden says Antifa is just an idea. When was the last time an idea assaulted you or set fire to your business? Anita is the foot soldiers of the Left. Denial is how the Left escape accountability.
Hey neat, still running with the Klan talk, eh?
"Antifa is the foot soldiers of the Left" is just a rehash of the Klan talking point "Jews pay the blacks to be their enforcers".
Replace the words all you want, it's still brought to you by the Ku Klux Klan.
"BLM AND DEMOCRATS!..." still "blacks and jews"...
"ANTIFA AND THE LEFT!..." still "blacks and jews"...
"MINORITIES AND LIBERALS!..." guess what, still "blacks and jews"...
Wake me up when you're done blindly regurgitation Klan talk.
You’ve just got to laugh at this sort of logic.
I mean, yeah, if you change the words then any argument can sound like virtually any other argument. So by this logic, uncommondenominator is now instructing rightists that they’re not allowed even to criticize Democracts, Liberals or the Left anymore, because if you change the words it sounds a bit like something else he’s decided people aren’t allowed to say.
Uncommondenominator, what went through your mind when you posted this? I expect it was something along the lines of “look at me everyone, I’m exposing right-wing dog whistling, just like those cool people on the TV! Please give me some liberal brownie points and a pat on the back for having the right opinions!”
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28 Apr 2021, 2:44 am
slam_thunderhide wrote:
uncommondenominator wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Antifa are fascists. Like so many leftist organizations they use double think and name their organization the opposite of what it really is.
Oh, the irony! C'mon now, lad! Pull me other one ... it's got bells on!It IS funny, isn't it? How people are apparently more than capable of grasping the concept that labels don't actually define content when hooting and howling about how "antifa just CALL themselves that!" - but go full amnesia "who what huh?" when confronted with other things that have labels that differ from the content.
It's the same baloney as the double standard where "if they're wearing an antifa shirt, CLEARLY they're antifa terrorists!" - but if they're wearing a MAGA shirt, CLEARLY THEY'RE STILL ANTIFA, IN DISGUISE!! !"
So basically everyone is actually the imaginary badguy boogeyman in disguise, like a villain from scooby-do. How convenient! Everything is actually antifa in disguise!! !
They say "well, the LiBeRaL ElItEs uses welfare programs to control minorities so..." and don't even realize that just from that, they're already neck-deep in regurgitating talking points brought to you by the Ku Klux Klan. Good job!
They say "yeah but, the liberal media..." hey neat, more Klan stuff.
"But Jeff Bezos is..." still Klan stuff.
All the Klan did was replace "jews and blacks" with "liberal elites" and "minorities" to make it sound more "acceptable". These antifa-are-the-REAL-fascists talking points lead right back to the same Klan rhetoric. "Antifa" and "BLM" are just the newest additions to the list of alternative words to "the blacks" - and you'll notice that "antifa" and "BLM" are supposedly under the control of "liberal elites" or "The Left" - stand-ins for "the jews". Who do they point at when they say liberal elites and The Left? Jeff Bezos (jewish) Bernie Sanders (jewish sOcIaLiSt!! !) AOC (minority). I'M SURE that's JUST WILD COINCIDENCE...
"Liberalism will destroy us!" is THE OLDEST anti-Semite slogan around. Between Christianity and Judaism, Judaism is far more liberal. And that liberality was a threat to Christian beliefs, when it ran contrary. Especially regarding sex and other taboos. The fact that Judaism isn't as uptight and allows things that Christianity doesn't was a threat to Christianity's way. Judaism directly contradicted Christian doctrine at many turns. It goes way deeper than that, but that's basically where it comes from to a large extent.
Best of all, someone will inevitably try to claim that what I've said is nothing more than an absurd imaginative conspiracy - and the far more plausible story is the "Liberal A-Blue-Minatti are secretly controlling the world already, and only tucker carlson and mike lydell can save us! EVERYONE is lying except for Skynews and OAN!! !"
This post is full of irrelevant tangents, and is typical of the sort of hysteria that results from people focusing more on virtue signalling than focusing on what is actually being discussed.
The fact of the matter is that antifa calling themselves antifa is a misnomer, and rightists calling antifa “fascists” is also a misnomer. Rightists mischaracterize as “fascism” what they don’t like about antifa (eg, their violence), and antifa mischaracterize as fascism everything they don’t like too (eg, conservatism, capitalism, patriotism, normal behaviour etc). “Fascism” has been a boo-word on both sides of the political spectrum since yje end of World War 2.
That’s it. End of story. Your points about the KKK and Jeff Bezos are completely irrelevant. But since you have brought them up, let’s deal with some of them…
1. I sincerely doubt that the KKK ever used a talking point such as "well, the LiBeRaL ElItEs uses welfare programs to control minorities so..." . Since the KKK openly advocated racial separation they were more likely to say “I don’t want my tax dollars supporting other races and I don’t want to live around them either”. Which is different, do you see?
2. Jeff Bezos is not Jewish. A simple google search would reveal that fact to you. If I were a virtue-signaller like you I might ask what made you think he was Jewish in the first place. But anyway, it’s touching to see you defending him. It must be so hard for him being the richest man in the world!
3. Your tying in of criticisms of liberalism with “anti-semitism” is hilarious. So you’re instructing us we’re not allowed to criticize liberalism now? Don’t you ever think that whining about “anti-semitism” when people haven’t even mentioned Jews might backfire in some way? People might suspect you of “protesting too much”.
4. Claiming that Judaism is more liberal than Christianity is ridiculous. Go and read about the ultra-Orthodox, whose practice of Judaism most closely resembles historical Judaism. Read about all their rules for avoiding being “contaminated” by gentiles. Read about the Israeli rabbis teaching their followers things like “gentile sperm leads to barbaric offspring”. Then compare that to the behaviour of, say, the Pope (which I do not support by the way), welcoming bogus refugees to Europe’s shores and kissing their feet.
uncommondenominator wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
O'Biden says Antifa is just an idea. When was the last time an idea assaulted you or set fire to your business? Anita is the foot soldiers of the Left. Denial is how the Left escape accountability.
Hey neat, still running with the Klan talk, eh?
"Antifa is the foot soldiers of the Left" is just a rehash of the Klan talking point "Jews pay the blacks to be their enforcers".
Replace the words all you want, it's still brought to you by the Ku Klux Klan.
"BLM AND DEMOCRATS!..." still "blacks and jews"...
"ANTIFA AND THE LEFT!..." still "blacks and jews"...
"MINORITIES AND LIBERALS!..." guess what, still "blacks and jews"...
Wake me up when you're done blindly regurgitation Klan talk.
You’ve just got to laugh at this sort of logic.
I mean, yeah, if you change the words then any argument can sound like virtually any other argument. So by this logic, uncommondenominator is now instructing rightists that they’re not allowed even to criticize Democracts, Liberals or the Left anymore, because if you change the words it sounds a bit like something else he’s decided people aren’t allowed to say.
Uncommondenominator, what went through your mind when you posted this? I expect it was something along the lines of “look at me everyone, I’m exposing right-wing dog whistling, just like those cool people on the TV! Please give me some liberal brownie points and a pat on the back for having the right opinions!”
Yes, the Klan has used the argument, claiming blacks now have time to breed instead of working. Yes, that argument is completely inane, but then again white nationalists are by nature inane.
Racists on the right do use code words to attack blacks, Jews, LGBTQ, liberals, etc.
Why the need to defend bigoted talking points?
28 Apr 2021, 6:42 pm
slam_thunderhide wrote:
This post is full of irrelevant tangents, and is typical of the sort of hysteria that results from people focusing more on virtue signalling than focusing on what is actually being discussed.
