Is nature's beauty proof of God
salad wrote:
"Only an idiot could deny God after seeing such natural beauty"
It's called the Teleological argument for God, which incorporates “telos,” the Greek word for “goal” or “purpose.”
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SabbraCadabra wrote:
What blows my mind is how perfectly everything in nature combines to perpetuate itself.
They say it's all just evolution and natural selection, but is that really it?
Is that why some plants know they need thorns to keep nuisances away? Why some plants know they need poisons to protect themselves? Why some plants use colors, shapes, and smells to attract or repel animals and insects? Why some plants know that if they make their fruit delicious, animals will eat it and spread the seed further away? Why plants have pollen so that insects will spread it to other plants to help them reproduce? Is that why maple trees "evolved" to have propeller shaped seeds so that they would fly further?
Look at the eucalyptus, it practically sets itself on fire to reproduce.
Idunno, I could go on, but to me, it all seems too coincidental to be an accident.
They say it's all just evolution and natural selection, but is that really it?
Is that why some plants know they need thorns to keep nuisances away? Why some plants know they need poisons to protect themselves? Why some plants use colors, shapes, and smells to attract or repel animals and insects? Why some plants know that if they make their fruit delicious, animals will eat it and spread the seed further away? Why plants have pollen so that insects will spread it to other plants to help them reproduce? Is that why maple trees "evolved" to have propeller shaped seeds so that they would fly further?
Look at the eucalyptus, it practically sets itself on fire to reproduce.
Idunno, I could go on, but to me, it all seems too coincidental to be an accident.
there are coincidences, but most things are advantageous under certain circumstances.
however, a plant doesn't decide to grow thorns as much as I don't decide to grow t-cells, or have skin ph that allows lactic acid bacteria and yeasts to live on my body and consume skin excretions - and to such an extent that most funguses don't have enough to eat so they starve. me and my skin bacteria live in symbiosis. we evolved together, and that's why we fit together so well. it's called sympoiesis. and because everything evolved *together*, everything somewhat fits together.
I say somewhat because not all traits were selected for. some random mutations just didn't create any disadvantage, so there was no selection pressure that would kill off the bearer of those traits. and there's also spandrils: side effects of mutations, in which the actual mutation proved to increase procreation, so the side effect stayed around as well.
there's *a lot* of just meaningless stuff in nature, that just wasn't doing any harm either.
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SabbraCadabra wrote:
What blows my mind is how perfectly everything in nature combines to perpetuate itself.
They say it's all just evolution and natural selection, but is that really it?
Is that why some plants know they need thorns to keep nuisances away? Why some plants know they need poisons to protect themselves? Why some plants use colors, shapes, and smells to attract or repel animals and insects? Why some plants know that if they make their fruit delicious, animals will eat it and spread the seed further away? Why plants have pollen so that insects will spread it to other plants to help them reproduce? Is that why maple trees "evolved" to have propeller shaped seeds so that they would fly further?
Look at the eucalyptus, it practically sets itself on fire to reproduce.
Idunno, I could go on, but to me, it all seems too coincidental to be an accident.
They say it's all just evolution and natural selection, but is that really it?
Is that why some plants know they need thorns to keep nuisances away? Why some plants know they need poisons to protect themselves? Why some plants use colors, shapes, and smells to attract or repel animals and insects? Why some plants know that if they make their fruit delicious, animals will eat it and spread the seed further away? Why plants have pollen so that insects will spread it to other plants to help them reproduce? Is that why maple trees "evolved" to have propeller shaped seeds so that they would fly further?
Look at the eucalyptus, it practically sets itself on fire to reproduce.
Idunno, I could go on, but to me, it all seems too coincidental to be an accident.
No one has ever said that evolution was an accident. It is a process that has taken many millennia to arrive at the organisms and ecosystems we have now, and it is ongoing. Small changes that occur over generations determine what individuals will survive and reproduce, and those changes persist in future generations while others fall away. That is how evolution works. There is no active role played by those individuals. (It doesn't make sense to say that plants "know" anything, or that they are intentionally preserving certain traits.)
This thinking is very dangerous, because it is setting yourself up as having a perspective that has the same validity as that of scientists whose life work it is to study these matters. They have already answered these questions. Our job as non-experts is to inform ourselves, not to come up with unfounded theories that have already been debunked.
Relatively SPeaKinG, The
Real Magic is Humans Have
The Ability to Co-Create THeir
Own Realities
With Enough
Practice; What one
May Metaphor NoW As
Heaven or HeLL ON EartH
With Enough Proficiency
The Whole Nature oF iT Is
Well Beyond Anything As Small
As A Three Letter Song That Traps
A Tongue on the Roof of A Mouth...
Evidence on Demand of Course
At Will Of True iMaGiNaTioN
LiVinG Love Of
Creativity
Still Springing
Green At 61 Years-Old;
Meanwhile, Some Folks With
No Living Magic Are Rotting in
A World of Illusion in Material Reductionistic
Delusions That Are Just Another Path to Nowhere Now Much at ALL...
i Surely Understand
as i Traveled
That Other
Stairway
Away From
What is Possible
For Human Potential too...
Shall i make a List, An Empirical
One That Shows What is Possible; Already
Did it, Now the Rest is Just For Fun Winging By
Feather Wind, No Worries Baby, Fear Takes Most all Good
Things in Life Away; And A Placebo Effect is Often Limited by a
Lack of Belief of What is Possible That Hasn't Been Achieved Before...
The Past
Does Not
Limit the
Future Anymore
Than We Do Now
As The Past And Future
is Just Illusion; Now is Forevermore Real
Without All the Illusions of Time, Distance,
Space, And Matter; Oh to Do 'Neo' For Real HeHe...
Anyway A Scientist, Cold At HeART too, i'll Keep An Empirical
Record Going of What Heaven on Earth is For me at Least for Real Now...
God is Nothing Yet A Three Letter Song That Traps A Tongue on a Roof of a Mouth...
Nature is WHeRE
It's At ALL;
A Life
Time
Forevernow
of Contemplation
Yes Meditation to
Achieve What's Never
Been Seen and Done Before...
Meanwhile, Folks Debate WHeRE is God, HAha...
Just A Frigging Tongue Stuck on a Roof of A Mouth;
At Least 'Allah' Escapes that PriSon of 'Mouth', HeHe...
Wings of Birds...
Fur of
Animals...
Climbing...
Are So Much
More Than A Frigging
Word Trapped on a Roof of Mouth...
In Other Words, Nature Materially Reduced Smaller Than All...
All of Nature is Proof Of ALL, So Far Beyond A Song Trapped on a Roof of a Mouth...
Or in A Robe, Or in A Chalice, With No Substance; or A Brick And Mortar Temple With No LoVE iNSide
The Building Now...
Have Ya Ever
Visited A
Place
Where Folks
Divide ALL into
Pieces And Lose the ALL...
It's Really Sad... Sad As A Song
Trapped on A Roof of a Mouth...
Yes Nature Is Proof of How Small All
Human Words Are Most Definitely Abstract
Constructs Trapped As Songs on Roofs of Mouths...
Metaphors
Are Forms
Essence
Is
What
We Breathe
For Real Yes Nature Now...
Some Folks Live Life Like a 'Living
Orgasm'; Others Just 'Flatworms' in Soils
Aerating Soils So Living Orgasms May Eat What Rises Green...
Yawn... It's Kinda Like 'The Folks' Who Invented the Internet So Wings Will Soar...
It all
Fits
Together,
'The Puzzle',
From Ocean View...
Water Wave Whole Field
Particle Wave All That Jazz
As Essence Breathes LiVinG Orgasm Whole Indeed...
And Again That's Real; Look It Up; 'Frission' VarieS on
Make and Model of Vehicle and Vessel Expressing ALL....
And Science Shows Closed Minded Folks Rarely Get A
Glimpse of Heaven On EartH Divine For Real; Oh to Materially
Reduce Heaven Out of Autotelic Flow and Frission into Nothing @ALL
Sad As
A "Trump
Soul MeME" LoSinG iT ALL...
Baby, This iS A Whole lot More Than
Just 'Seeing' Parts of Nature as Attractive...
A Whole Lot More in Terms of A Whole Lot ALL...
Anyway, This is Just A Frigging Poem; Do the Research,
Many of the Metaphors Old Religions Use Do Reflect the
Essence of What is Greater For the Human Experience Now...
Satori, Samadhi, Prana, Chi, Ki, Ka, Kundalini Rising, Tao, Atman,
Is All Where This Autotelic Flow With Copious Amounts of Frission Is
And Other Unlimited Metaphors
That Just Relate Basically
A Similar Path
To the Bliss and
Real Nirvana of
Existence Now;
This Kingdom
And Or
Queendom
Of Heaven
Within Now for
Real; Yes Baby,
A Really Great
Creative Holy
And Sacred Spirit
Real Independence
Day Forever Within Now
Yet In This Case Independence
Means One With ALL Free...
FRiEnDS With Nature's
GravitY iN Balance
Winning
Karma
At the
Play of Existence
All Around in Balance...
Yeah, i Know,
All i Did is
Used to Know too...
Sweet Spot Tween
Apathy And Anxiety
For Real Now i Do And Truly
BREaTHE Nature Loving Fearless
FREE ALWaYS Balancing Now For REAL.
Basically, This All Boils Down And Ices Up to
IS However A Person May Define That 3 Letter
Word That Most Often Gets Trapped on the Roofs
Of Individual
Mouths
With Limited
Definitions; It's Worth
Noting There Are No Limits
With All Other Than More Now
For All, No Duh, Subsumes All Smaller Gods
And Definitely Little Bitty Humans And Their Words Including ALL;
Alltheist
It's Most
Definitely
Seeing NaTuRE ALL As God
Best Way NoW to Get BacK iN
Touch With This God of Nature...
May Be to Discard All Cultural Clothes/Tools
And God ALL Yes Forget You Were Ever Separate...
God Yes, So Ironic As That is Exactly What
Anti-(God)-Nature Parts of So Many Desert
SCaRCiTY Tribal Origin Religions Still Do Now...
As They Most Always
Picture Hell
With Folks
Wearing No Clothes...
And Spend A Life Covering God All Up
Like Something A Cat Leaves Behind For Worms...
Meh,
Worms
Gotta
Make a Living too...
And Cats Gotta Go When They Go too...
Yawn, Purr, or Roar; It All Works Out Great
in Heaven on Earth At Least for me; Just Naked Free...
Like the Rest of (GoD) Nature Not Covered Up Hidden Materially Reduced...
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