Anyone afraid to take the covid vaccine because of Fauchi?

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I'm proud, and prejudiced.

Actually Ive heard that Italian drivers are worse. My sarcasm wouldnt even register in Italy because, though they HAVE red lights, but they all just barrel through intersections without giving them any mind as if traffic lights dont exist.

Interesting sounding movie.

Reminds me of the recent novel "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Slayer". A tongue-in-cheek take on American history. Havent read it but...vampirism is a not bad metaphor for...slavery. But I digress.

Speaking to the long-form challenge, I think this Quillette article is about as close as anything's going to come:
https://quillette.com/2021/07/06/lookin ... q4IkPZR3xU

Yuri Deigin is in on the article which piqued my interest as he's actually one of the people who initially set out to debunk the lab-leak hypothesis but ended up forced toward the conclusion that the lab leak is actually the more likely scenario.

I don't trust Fauci. He is a bureaucrat touting the party line for his employers.

Did you get the vaccine anyway?

Trump also hates Fauci; but even Trump (and his family) got the vaccine.

That doesn't concern me.

OK. Did you get the vaccine though?

No. I don't plan to.
I have no problem with vaccines. I have had many.
The problem I have is with the government, media, push to get everyone vaccinated. They seem much too eager.
Also this vaccine was rushed into production, with none of the long term studies that usually accompany vaccines. Any and all preventative measures (except masks) were discouraged in favor of a vaccine. On top of that the pharmaceutical companies who have developed it have legal immunity from lawsuits for possible health problems caused by their vaccine.
Taken altogether. This does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about this vaccine.

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Astra-Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson are based on a different methodology to the other vaccines, and AZ and J&J are the only two that I've seen any reported harm, in the form of a characteristic type of blood clots (which have sometimes killed) in a "small" number of people. They've figured out a possible mechanism and they suspect one of the additives - EDTA I think - is associated with it. So personally I wouldn't want either of those types of vaccine. I doubt the risk is great - about 1 in a million - but why take it when there's a choice? There's been no similar news of any such problem with the other types, and given that the news about AZ and J&J got out, I can't see why it wouldn't also have got out if the other types also had side effects. That's why I have rather more trust in Moderna and Pfizer. It doesn't mean I'm 100% certain they'll never hurt anybody, but weighed against the benefits it seems the best bet, and like I said earlier, I got away with it.

I don't quite agree the UK gov's advice to have AZ. They did seem to be playing down its risks when they advised older people not to refuse that one, and I can see why they fudged the advice a little. From the perspective of the NHS, the gov and the company, it's good if people accept AZ. From the perspective of the individual, it's not quite that good. To give credit where it's due, they decided not to give young people AZ, because they said the balance of risks and benefits is rather different for them, being less likely to die of Covid.

I think you're right that they did rush the vaccines out, which suggests they may have cut a few safety corners. In fact that's why I decided to wait until a few million people had been jabbed before I got mine. They were my willing guinea pigs.

Then it is your fault, and no one else's, if the virus kills you.

Beat me to it!

I'm prepared to go when my time comes.
Death doesn't scare me. Loss of freedom and living as a subject to the state does.

Well you're in for a real treat, then, because you have a much higher chance of contracting Long Haul COVID than you do of dying from the disease...and then you'll REALLY lose your freedoms.

But I guess losing your freedoms to a crippling, incurable disease is better than being told to be considerate to others?

Does it frighten you when the state - under Trump - lies to you about the dangers of Covid? Dr. Fauci is a man of science who happens to work for the government, not a government bureaucrat, whereas Trump and his phony men of medicine, like that X Ray tech, Atlas, just spewed nonsense for the sake of Trump's poll numbers. Have you at all noticed that people dying of Covid these days are almost all in red states? That's because they chose to embrace Trumpian idiocy instead of science.

It's not just your own life and longterm health you'd be risking. You'd likely inflict it on other people. And if you were taken to hospital you'd be helping to overwhelm the healthcare system and kill even more people that way. The state isn't forcing the vaccine on anybody. And the US government isn't forcing much of a lockdown. The UK government is about to give up enforcing any restrictions at all, against medical advice.