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19 Sep 2021, 8:16 pm

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"Welfare" is controlled by the state government, and not by the Feds anyway. So Biden doesnt have much to do with it.

That is an important point, but how do you explain "Obamacare"?
And how do you explain how Trump dismantled it, to some degree?

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20 Sep 2021, 7:30 am

Obamacare is health insurance. It has very little to do with "welfare." Most of the "beneficiaries" of Obamacare are not on "welfare." Usually, people are "welfare" are on Medicaid, rather than within the Obamacare framework.

Obamacare's objective is "health care for everybody at a reduced or no cost," though it doesn't always work out that way. It's a rather bad compromise between totally privatized health care and a pure "one payee" system as manifested in most "first world" nations.

"Welfare" is mostly state-funded----but things like Food Stamps (now called SNAP), SSI (Supplemental Security Income), and SSD (Social Security Disability) are federally-funded.

Unemployment insurance is state-run, though there were federal unemployment payments until very recently because of the Pandemic.

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20 Sep 2021, 7:48 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

I wasn't focusing.
When I said "welfare", here, I actually meant "Healthcare".
I seem to be all over the place.

It seems that both healthcare and welfare needs to be improved a lot to overcome the lifestyle discrepancy, in America.

The thing is, now that the Democrats are in power, is there any sign of an improved of both?

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20 Sep 2021, 7:52 am

Nope. Not yet.

I'm not being "hyperpartisan." Most any proposal for "improved health care" put forth by Democrats will be blocked by Republicans and some Democrats.

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20 Sep 2021, 7:58 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

Nope. Not yet.

I'm not being "hyperpartisan." Most any proposal for "improved health care" put forth by Democrats will be blocked by Republicans and some Democrats.

I believe the same happened in the Obama years.
You seem to have another "hung parliament" to some degree.

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20 Sep 2021, 8:00 am

We've been in this sort of situation since at least the Second Bush. Trump wasn't really successful with Congress, either.

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20 Sep 2021, 8:02 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

We've been in this sort of situation since at least the Second Bush. Trump wasn't really successful with Congress, either.

Do you blame one side for the stalemate?

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20 Sep 2021, 8:23 am

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Biden is a centrist Democrat. He's a Washington "insider." He's a politician. He's not perfect. He's a backroom dealmaker.

But no matter how "senile" or "sleepy" he's supposed to be, I feel like his heart is in the right place as far as COVID is concerned.

I'm not much into American politics and people can vote for whatever party they like, but what's the deal with Biden? Would literally anyone else from the party make a better president? I swear he seems like the type who wakes up in the morning thinking he's a potato until told otherwise. He just seems to old and not sharp enough for the job.

He has clout and the ability to sway people. He has also earned a lot of loyalty from black minority groups. That loyalty generated an impressive percentage of votes when the primaries got to the southern states. The voting in the south is what earned him the Democratic Party nomination.

Biden also had the gift of not really having enemies. My favorite candidate had quite a few people who really hated her, and she never really gained traction in the primaries.

It could also be said Biden won the nomination by being most people’s third choice, with first and second choices having no consistency at all.

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20 Sep 2021, 8:27 am

I blame "partisanship," in general, for the stalemate.

A bunch of ego-spouting peacocks run the roost.

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20 Sep 2021, 8:39 am

Biden was, preeminently, a "compromise" candidate--from my viewpoint.

Yep....and this was exactly what was needed to oust Trump.

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20 Sep 2021, 10:01 am

Let's Do Some Quick Math Regarding Social Welfare
For All; Yes, Including Bridges, Roads, And the Rest
of the Infrastructure too...

The W Bush Administration
Used A Tragedy of 9.11, to
Orchestrate An Unwarranted War
In Iraq Over the Bind and Bond of A Virtually
Separately Related Catastrophic Attack upon the United States...

In Doing So, Trillions of Dollars of Wasted Tax-Payer Money Were Used
To Tear Down A Country And Build it Back for the Wallets to Get Thicker
From the Contractual Aspect of the Industrial Military Complex Then And

Overall, Continuing For Years to Come... And Additionally, Speaking, in the
Process of this POLITICAL SCAM OVER 100,000, 'conservatively' SPEAKING,
INNOCENT BROWN MUSLIM FOLKS WERE KILLED IN THE PROCESS OF THE SCAM

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED:

FINANCIAL COLLAPSE AND

THEN WHAT HAPPENED: SOCIAL
WELFARE FOR A FAILING BANK SYSTEM
AS ORCHESTRATED BY THE DEMOCRAT ADMINISTRATION
THROUH OBAMA AND THE YOUNGER VERSION OF JOE BIDEN....

And True, Some Liberties of Privacy Were taken Away As Well
to Track Potential Other REAL Terrorist Activity From Coming Our Way...

The GREATEST GOOD FOR OVERALL SOCIAL WELFARE ORCHESTRATED

By That Democrat Administration Rule is Most DEFINITELY OBAMA CARE,
CHANGING the Social Welfare of Millions of Americans in Many Ways Like
My Sister's Ability to Retire Early From A Military Contractor With Government
Subsidized

Health Care
Yes, Yes, Social
Welfare Enhanced
Life, Government
Supported Indeed!

Fast Forward Slowly
To the Trump Administration
Where Basically A Malignant
Assessed Narcissist is Elected
As An Already Empirically Assessed

Despicable Leader As He Promised
In Advance That If He Shoots Someone
on 5th Avenue in Public They Will Still Follow

Him Now As THEY DO, AS THEY DO, AS THEY STILL DO,

Even Though His Ignorant Unmasked Role Model Behavior
As Assessed Led to Over 600,000 Pandemic Deaths As Folks

Still Willingly Drink the Trump Kool-Aid, Even After He Has Been
Soundly Replaced By A More Empathic Assessed Leader in the Most
Secure Election Ever Held As Assessed by His Own Appointed Officials;

Never the less, And Horribly And Ignorantly So, Over 70 Percent of His

Minions Still Blindly Follow Him, Even After The Then Senate Majority Leader
McConnell And the House of Representative Minority Leader, Both Republican
Top Leaders, Both Admitted in the Face OF THE ACT THAT TRUMP HELPED TO

INCITE A DEADLY

F A i L e D

INSURRECTION TO
OVERTHROW THE
DEMOCRATIC PROCESS
OF ELECTING A NEW LEADER,
CORE TO WHAT IT MEANS TO
BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY AT ALL...

As Over 70 Percent Still BELIEVE A BIG LIE THAT TRUMP WON...

HINT: HE LOST, HE LOST, HE LOST, BY 8 MILLION VOTES FOR REAL.

SO WHAT DO YOU DO IN A 'S' STORM OF REPUBLICAN SPONSORED
IGNORANCE FROM LEADERSHIP FALLING DOWN TO MINION RULES NOW...

You Do the Best You Can And Will to Get Things Done, Even Though as Proven
Before, All the Republican Leadership Will Do is Protect Their Power and Status
And Positions No Matter How Many Ignorant And Innocent Folks Fall In their wake

To Politically
Motivated Pandemic
Laws to Help Harm
And Kill Even More

United States Citizens...

Land of Those Who Try to
Change things for the Better
And Land of Those Who Fall

Fall

Fall

More to
The Religion
And Yes Hopeful
Theocracy of Ignoricism...

Is The Democrat Rule Perfect
to Establish Greater Social Welfare...

Obviously Not; Yet Greater
Than Pure Selfish F in Evil on Show For All the World to See

in Specific Measures, Like Laws That Seek to Provide Dangerous
Environments For School Learning Children And the Church Holding
Hands With That Portion of State With Crowded Congregations With

Parents

Not Requiring

Even Their Own

Children to Wear

Masks to Stay Safe

in What Has Been A Peak
of Pandemic Danger and Death

In the State of Florida, the Last

Several Months and Other Minion
Filled States That Fall to the Rule
of Despicable Leaders Who Only

Care About Their Selfish Political Lives And Gains...

THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING MORE; They Are Seeking

To Improve the Infrastructure For Basic Living Conditions
To Survive and Thrive in this Country And Have Already
Provided Social Welfare, the Republicans Were Not Willing

To Allow in A Deadly

Pandemic; Is it Enough: No;

IS IT More Than Republicans

Would Ever Dream to Help
Social Welfare Of ALL Concerned: HELL YES...

AS WHOLE, The Republican Party Has NoW As
Much Compassion and Concern For Social Welfare As

The GRINCH

WHO CONTINUES

TO STEAL CHRISTMAS

YEAR AROUND WHO

IS PRACTICALLY INCORRIGIBLE...

Welcome to the 'Beast' of the United States....

Not Even Worthy of the Name Social Animal in Some Parts...

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20 Sep 2021, 3:41 pm

The infrastructure second package is designed to address issues that often lead to poverty, including lack of childcare. It is an effort to be transformative when it comes to the issue of poverty.

Side note, in response to something else above: Trump didn’t gut Obamacare; he didn’t actually change much of the law at all. What he tried to do is basically starve it to death. Cut funds, pull incentives, shorten and obscure enrollment periods, etc.

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20 Sep 2021, 6:17 pm

Pepe wrote:

You have a habit of misrepresenting me.
I was not being "cheeky".

He says cheeky like its a bad thing

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20 Sep 2021, 10:09 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

You have my attention in my thread.

The health and welfare systems in America have major issues, I have been told.
Assuming this is correct, what are the Democrats going to do about it?
Can they do anything with the Democratic "ministers" they have?
Are they willing to try?

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20 Sep 2021, 10:11 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Pepe wrote:

You have a habit of misrepresenting me.
I was not being "cheeky".

He says cheeky like its a bad thing

I am often "cheeky".
I just wasn't at that time.

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20 Sep 2021, 10:13 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Biden was, preeminently, a "compromise" candidate--from my viewpoint.

Yep....and this was exactly what was needed to oust Trump.

Anyone but Trump won.
AUKUS thanks you Amerians.

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