Page 4 of 4 [ 60 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4

Mona Pereth
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Sep 2018
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,712
Location: New York City (Queens)

09 Jan 2022, 8:30 am

Aspie1 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Could he have mean't that "developing countries" don't appropriately respect the US?
Sort of. I meant that China and India do things far worse than America does, but America gets all the blame. China produces much more coal-burning pollution than America does---just look at the smog in Shanghai---and yet America is the one forced to "stop climate change" :roll:.

Hmmm, I think China is starting to turn around in this regard. See, for example, 5 reasons to be optimistic about China’s new carbon market.

Aspie1 wrote:
India cuts down vast areas of its forests to fuel its shoddy furnaces, and yet America gets blamed for "causing climate change" :roll:.

Apparently there has been some progress in Inda too. For example: India Announces New Climate Actions.

Aspie1 wrote:
So, those countries get a free pass for wrongdoing, along with other Third World-countries who the UN favors for no good reason, but America is the boogeyman in UN's eyes.

We need all countries to take climate change and other ecological matters seriously, but especially the most technologically advanced countries, which are in the best position to lead the way.


_________________
- Autistic in NYC - Resources and new ideas for the autistic adult community in the New York City metro area.
- Autistic peer-led groups (via text-based chat, currently) led or facilitated by members of the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.


Aspie1
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Mar 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,749
Location: United States

09 Jan 2022, 9:07 am

I don't feel sorry for the homeless at all! Just look at the wastelands they turned San Francisco, Portland (Oregon), and Seattle into! Used syringes, food wrappers, and piles of feces are all over the sidewalks in what used to be elegant, welcoming downtowns. Not to mention, many of them are on drugs, and threaten random strangers with violence for a cheap thrill. It makes sense why they moved there: mild climate, bleeding-heart liberal mayors pandering to them, tons of soup kitchens with decent food, and gullible populations who are naive enough to give them money they don't even pay taxes on. So there have no real motivation to work, when the bleeding-heart liberals just give them everything for free.

That ain't real communism! Under real communism, they'd all be in Gulags, digging coal or building railroads. At least they'd be contributing to society that way.

I'm grateful that Florida cities, outside of Miami and maybe Tampa, are taking aggressive steps to deter the homeless from moving in. The last thing we need in America is another Portland.



Mona Pereth
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Sep 2018
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,712
Location: New York City (Queens)

09 Jan 2022, 9:16 am

To Aspie1: I am horrified by your attitude toward homeless people.

You are seriously over-generalizing about homeless people, and not looking at the variety of underlying causes.

By the way, are you aware that a significant portion of Wrong Planet users -- and lots of other autistic people -- have been homeless at some point in their lives?


_________________
- Autistic in NYC - Resources and new ideas for the autistic adult community in the New York City metro area.
- Autistic peer-led groups (via text-based chat, currently) led or facilitated by members of the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.


Last edited by Mona Pereth on 09 Jan 2022, 11:31 am, edited 5 times in total.

shlaifu
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 May 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,659

09 Jan 2022, 9:17 am

Aspie1 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Could he have mean't that "developing countries" don't appropriately respect the US?
Sort of. I meant that China and India do things far worse than America does, but America gets all the blame. China produces much more coal-burning pollution than America does---just look at the smog in Shanghai---and yet America is the one forced to "stop climate change" :roll:. India cuts down vast areas of its forests to fuel its shoddy furnaces, and yet America gets blamed for "causing climate change" :roll:. So, those countries get a free pass for wrongdoing, along with other Third World-countries who the UN favors for no good reason, but America is the boogeyman in UN's eyes. Meanwhile, morons like Joe Biden fall for the ruse, China and India keep getting away with wrongdoing, and George Soros laughs all the way to the bank.

In before anyone says I'm not "woke" enough... My beef is with Chinese and Indian governments and the UN's favoritism of them. I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with Chinese and Indian people. There, I clarified it! I really shouldn't have to, but in Biden's America, it's a necessary evil.


both countries have 4 times the population, but China puts oit only double thr CO2 emissions, and India half.
Per capita that means Chinese emits half the amount the US emits per capita.
And India an eighth.
However, per capita, Canada has higher emissions than the US.

China however has a century of development to catch up on, and at least of Europe I know that it's built on toxic sludge from the industrialization, which is slowly seeping into the groundwater. But unlike Europe and the US, the Chinese massively invest in solar power.
by the time the US finally accepts Miami is lost, they'll have to buy solar panels from China.


_________________
I can read facial expressions. I did the test.


shlaifu
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 May 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,659

09 Jan 2022, 9:21 am

Aspie1 wrote:
So there have no real motivation to work, when the bleeding-heart liberals just give them everything for free.


except homes, I guess.


Aspie1 wrote:
That ain't real communism! Under real communism, they'd all be in Gulags, digging coal or building railroads. At least they'd be contributing to society that way.


They'd be given homes and a job. Everyone was given a home, and a job. You wouldn't go to the Gulag for homelessness, you'd be given a home.
And yes, you would have to take the job, whether you liked it or not.


_________________
I can read facial expressions. I did the test.


Mona Pereth
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Sep 2018
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,712
Location: New York City (Queens)

09 Jan 2022, 9:24 am

Dox47 wrote:
NoClearMind53 wrote:
Useless without mentioning specifics. People on the right will call you anti-American just for pointing out certain things that are a just an uncomfortable reality... like government/CIA meddling in foreign affairs for blatantly imperialist reasons while pretending to be humanitarian. Also get called anti-American for not agreeing that America is the best country ever, or suggesting that things could be better.


Hmm, do you actually have any right wing friends, or are you just going off second hand descriptions? Cause this sounds like a straw man right winger to me, if anything they tend to be more skeptical of the US government than normies are, they'll tell you all about various CIA skullduggery without sugarcoating it, though they might feel it was justified at the time. I mean, I know a lot of these people, you'll definitely see some jingoistic militarism, but not really the "we're perfect and never did anything wrong" stuff, that's more of a liberal's impression of a conservative than reality.

Depends which "right wingers" you are talking about.

Your use of the term "normie" suggests that you are talking about some of the more extreme right wingers, or at least those who are extreme enough to have notably unpopular views. The more moderate right wingers, on the other hand, wouldn't call people outside their camp "normies," because they consider themselves to be essentially "normal" people defending their normality.

The more extreme right wingers tend to be generally anti-government and/or neo-isolationist. Thus indeed they tend to be, as you say, critical of government/CIA meddling in foreign affairs. Such criticism is far less likely from moderate conservatives or from so-called "neo-conservatives."


_________________
- Autistic in NYC - Resources and new ideas for the autistic adult community in the New York City metro area.
- Autistic peer-led groups (via text-based chat, currently) led or facilitated by members of the Autistic Peer Leadership Group.


Last edited by Mona Pereth on 09 Jan 2022, 11:12 am, edited 2 times in total.

Aspie1
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Mar 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,749
Location: United States

09 Jan 2022, 9:33 am

shlaifu wrote:
They'd be given homes and a job. Everyone was given a home, and a job. You wouldn't go to the Gulag for homelessness, you'd be given a home.
And yes, you would have to take the job, whether you liked it or not.
The USSR government did give people free homes. It was usually a small apartment, or less frequently, a single room in a large apartment shared with other people. Students and childless low-ranking workers lived in dorm-style buildings, with communal kitchens, restrooms, and showers. Single houses are uncommon in Russian cities even today; most people live in high-rises. Although now, it's influenced more by the cold climate, rather than politics.

The government also assigned everyone a job after graduating school or college, like staffing agencies do in America today---and for men, after their compulsory military service---so all people always had a job. In fact, not working was a crime that translates into English as "freeloading". So homelessness and unemployment essentially didn't exist.

Of course, it all came at a price. Entertainment options were limited to occasional theater shows, walks in the park, evening TV shows, and vodka. And if you were a kid, your school made your life a living hell by controlling every aspect of your life. (My friend from Belarus told me.) As for Gulags, people were sent there for crimes, be it for regular crimes like robbery, or political crimes like criticizing the Communist Party.



Last edited by Aspie1 on 09 Jan 2022, 9:46 am, edited 1 time in total.

HighLlama
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Apr 2015
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,017

09 Jan 2022, 9:41 am

Aspie1 wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the homeless at all! Just look at the wastelands they turned San Francisco, Portland (Oregon), and Seattle into! Used syringes, food wrappers, and piles of feces are all over the sidewalks in what used to be elegant, welcoming downtowns. Not to mention, many of them are on drugs, and threaten random strangers with violence for a cheap thrill. It makes sense why they moved there: mild climate, bleeding-heart liberal mayors pandering to them, tons of soup kitchens with decent food, and gullible populations who are naive enough to give them money they don't even pay taxes on. So there have no real motivation to work, when the bleeding-heart liberals just give them everything for free.

That ain't real communism! Under real communism, they'd all be in Gulags, digging coal or building railroads. At least they'd be contributing to society that way.

I'm grateful that Florida cities, outside of Miami and maybe Tampa, are taking aggressive steps to deter the homeless from moving in. The last thing we need in America is another Portland.


Yet, you have this quote in your profile:

Quote:
Then they came for me. But by then, there was no one left to object.



Aspie1
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Mar 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,749
Location: United States

09 Jan 2022, 10:13 am

HighLlama wrote:
Yet, you have this quote in your profile:
Quote:
Then they came for me. But by then, there was no one left to object.

That was meant a reference to the Biden-19 lockdowns and their similarity to the Nuremburg Laws in WWII Germany. They didn't start as concentration camps from the get-go; people simply wouldn't go with it. So... First, it was the prohibition for Jews to drive or use public transit. Then, it was the 6:00 PM curfew for the Jews. Then, the yellow stars. Then, the camps. Basically, little by little, human rights were taken away. And it was so gradual, even rational people were none the wiser.

Democrats trash the Nazis all the time, and rightfully so; but they became the very thing they hate. First, they canceled public events. Then, they closed the restaurants. Then, they made it illegal for people to be together. AND THEN, they allowed Antifa to do whatever they pleased with no masks or social distancing, as long as Antifa destroyed America and followed George Soros's goals. Thankfully, I joined La Résistance :wink: a month after the lockdowns, and went to parties anyway.


_________________
86 the 46
Don't tread on me!
No aid or comfort to the liberals. No way.
My rights don't end where your feeeelings begin!
Then they came for me. But by then, there was no one left to object.
If you're conservative when you're young, you have no heart! If you're liberal when you're mature, you have no brain!


shlaifu
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 May 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,659

09 Jan 2022, 10:48 am

Aspie1 wrote:
First, it was the prohibition for Jews to drive or use public transit. Then, it was the 6:00 PM curfew for the Jews. Then, the yellow stars. Then, the camps. Basically, little by little, human rights were taken away. And it was so gradual, even rational people were none the wiser.


first, there were centuries of anti-semitism, then there was a guy writing a little book in which he described how Jewish people were similar to rats and somehow simultaneously at the top of society and that they need to be exterminated. Then there was hyperinflation to pay incredibly high reparations for world war 1. Then there were socialist upheavals and conservative Germans deciding to pact with this guy who wrote this book to channel the anger away from the capitailsts and gentry and the government towards Jewish people.
Then that guy who wrote the book took over government and restructured the whole of society.
And then the stuff you mentioned happened.


_________________
I can read facial expressions. I did the test.


NoClearMind53
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

Joined: 25 Mar 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 369

09 Jan 2022, 12:25 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the homeless at all! Just look at the wastelands they turned San Francisco, Portland (Oregon), and Seattle into! Used syringes, food wrappers, and piles of feces are all over the sidewalks in what used to be elegant, welcoming downtowns. Not to mention, many of them are on drugs, and threaten random strangers with violence for a cheap thrill. It makes sense why they moved there: mild climate, bleeding-heart liberal mayors pandering to them, tons of soup kitchens with decent food, and gullible populations who are naive enough to give them money they don't even pay taxes on. So there have no real motivation to work, when the bleeding-heart liberals just give them everything for free.

That ain't real communism! Under real communism, they'd all be in Gulags, digging coal or building railroads. At least they'd be contributing to society that way.

I'm grateful that Florida cities, outside of Miami and maybe Tampa, are taking aggressive steps to deter the homeless from moving in. The last thing we need in America is another Portland.

{redacted}



Last edited by Cornflake on 09 Jan 2022, 12:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.: Removed a personal attack

Cornflake
Administrator
Administrator

User avatar

Joined: 30 Oct 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 70,696
Location: Over there

09 Jan 2022, 12:25 pm

 ! Cornflake wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
To Aspie1: I am horrified by your attitude toward homeless people.

You are seriously over-generalizing about homeless people, and not looking at the variety of underlying causes.
This ^

The thread started off making generalising and demeaning comments and it seems to have achieved nothing except more of the same, and worse.
It can't be allowed to continue as a general purpose hate thread.

Please find something to discuss that's more productive and less destructive.

Locked.


_________________
Giraffe: a ruminant with a view.