I’m fed up with people not liking vaccine mandates

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10 Feb 2022, 11:37 pm

Personally, I'm fed up with people wanting anyone who is unvaccinated to die.

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I never hear that sentiment in reverse.


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11 Feb 2022, 12:02 am

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Personally, I'm fed up with people wanting anyone who is unvaccinated to die.

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I never hear that sentiment in reverse.


Hearing someone wish another's death is bad enough.

Hearing someone wish the death of a group of people, to me, suggests that they are no better than those from history who have thought in a similar manner about other groups, often acting on such thoughts.

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11 Feb 2022, 12:08 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Personally, I'm fed up with people wanting anyone who is unvaccinated to die.

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I never hear that sentiment in reverse.
if I, for one, truly wanted people dead, I would want them to not get vaccinated, which obviously isn’t what I want.

I have a set of grandparents who are not vaccinated because they believe a bunch of QAnon type stuff. I can tell that they’re kind hearted people, they’re just extremely brainwashed by they’ve been told all their life. If one or both of them die of COVID, I’ll look into whatever legal action I can take against whatever media outlets have been telling them this crap.


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11 Feb 2022, 12:12 am

I do not watch news, Fox or other ones. simply not interested in it, past eight or ten years.
Ans I repeat, the mortality of Covid, measly as it is, is NOT excuse for blanket vaccination of everything that moves.
and for your info, even dogs, cats, and other animals can get and transmit Covid. so.. vaccine mandates have nothing to do with science, protection, or anything like that.



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11 Feb 2022, 7:30 am

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There are normally 18 pro sportsmen who have heart attacks each year who die. Last year thete were over 180.

This is also not true. The list includes members of marching bands, joggers, and archers. It includes suicides, motorcycle accidents, heat stroke, and congenital heart issues. It includes people who died in 2019 and 2020. It includes people with no known cause of death. It includes people who had COVID, which is associated with higher rates of myocarditis than the vaccine.


I read no reports of myocarditis before vaccinations began. So it must have been rare. There were no reports of heart attacks from covid either. Untill there was a need to explain vax injuries.



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11 Feb 2022, 7:36 am

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Secondly, you are wrong - motorcyclists are 16 times more likely to die in an accident on a per-mile basis, and 4 times more likely to be injured: https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/conse ... dent-33395

Thirdly, we do compel a lot of things of car occupants. There is a legal requirement to wear a seat belt, for example.


I did not mention deaths. I spoke of head injuries.

I never said we did not compel safety devices in cars. I said that compelling car occupants to warr a helmet was thought to be unavceptable politicaly.

Please stop twidting my words.



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11 Feb 2022, 7:44 am

Whenever I hear people causally wish death on individuals,or groups, i take as a sign they harbour sadistic personality traits. My grandma is like that. Shes is a very bitter woman. lol. Quite prone to such sentiments. She's vaccinated btw. She gets all her shots.


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11 Feb 2022, 7:54 am

funny thing is nobody question science behind blanket vaccine mandates against covid. that surprises me greatly.



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11 Feb 2022, 10:40 am

I don't think many of them would want anybody to die. Just that when people feel powerless to fight back effectively against a social force they detest, they sometimes resort to violent rhetoric even though they wouldn't use physical violence. It's probably a useful safety-valve for them, though it distresses some people to hear it, which is also understandable.



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11 Feb 2022, 11:01 am

Psycho64 wrote:
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There are normally 18 pro sportsmen who have heart attacks each year who die. Last year thete were over 180.

This is also not true. The list includes members of marching bands, joggers, and archers. It includes suicides, motorcycle accidents, heat stroke, and congenital heart issues. It includes people who died in 2019 and 2020. It includes people with no known cause of death. It includes people who had COVID, which is associated with higher rates of myocarditis than the vaccine.


I read no reports of myocarditis before vaccinations began. So it must have been rare. There were no reports of heart attacks from covid either. Untill there was a need to explain vax injuries.

All due respect, you not reading them doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. Facts remain facts regardless of whether you know them.

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Secondly, you are wrong - motorcyclists are 16 times more likely to die in an accident on a per-mile basis, and 4 times more likely to be injured: https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/conse ... dent-33395

Thirdly, we do compel a lot of things of car occupants. There is a legal requirement to wear a seat belt, for example.


I did not mention deaths. I spoke of head injuries.

I never said we did not compel safety devices in cars. I said that compelling car occupants to warr a helmet was thought to be unavceptable politicaly.

Please stop twidting my words.

Yes, motorcyclists are much more likely to suffer head injuries than passengers in cars. See previous post.



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11 Feb 2022, 11:05 am

lot of ppl do not need to be vaxxed, because they re not risk group.
blanket vax mandate creates uncecessary tensions and backlash.
risk group /elderly, obese, people with comorbidities like diabetes, heart and lung conditions.
those people have to be persuaded, by their HP, to get vaxxed.
but, taking into account all the lies concerning the jab, why is anybody surprised?
my neighbor woman is working with elderly. She wasnt very sure about the jab, but in order to protect them,
she got jabbed twice. When it was finally evident that even vaxxed one can get infected and transmit covid, she said no more jabs for her, no more boosters.
so even vaxxed people could be anti vax, if they feel they were cheated.



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11 Feb 2022, 11:14 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
I don't think many of them would want anybody to die. Just that when people feel powerless to fight back effectively against a social force they detest, they sometimes resort to violent rhetoric even though they wouldn't use physical violence. It's probably a useful safety-valve for them, though it distresses some people to hear it, which is also understandable.


I remind myself of this every time I'm called stupid or read about others celebrating the deaths of unvaxxed. The funny part is I had immunity before a vaccine existed and think about the horrors, what if it was a gain of function virus.



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11 Feb 2022, 11:20 am

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I had a reply ready to go, then you reply dangit. Keep watching. Just one thing:

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As noted above, unblinding early was a moral obligation. You don’t leave people unvaccinated once you know the vaccine works.


This is not one of those cases. There are sometimes moral and ethical reasons to unblind - usually for extremely aggressive diseases that are invariably fatal. We don't yet know if there are potentially extremely harmful side effects, but since these (placebo) people will most likely die and the initial results are promising... - that is a good ethical case for unblinding.

Covid just isn't this kind of scenario. Most of the cohort are young and healthy (another problem with the study). Their chances of survival and recovery are extremely high. To unblind in this instance is SO stupid and unwarranted, I can understand those who believe it was done for sinister reasons.

Keep watching?! You must be joking. If the producers of this video wanted me to respect their ideas, they should have presented them in an honest manner, spotted and removed the inaccuracies, and treated their viewers with that same respect. No, sorry, they’ve sacrificed their right to be taken seriously. I cannot trust them - it was already a stretch to ask me to trust a video hosted on an obscure website, and those first few minutes eviscerated my goodwill.

As for whether this particular case justified unblinding - the results were very clear. Seems unlikely many would have died if the trial had remained fully blind but far more people would have caught and transmitted the disease.



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11 Feb 2022, 11:24 am

There is a whole Reddit thread about posting articles about conservatives facing a unfortunate thing in their life, something they had voted against with their party, and people dying from Covid or losing their jobs because they were unvaccinated.

Leopardsatemyface it is called. It's basically a library of karma articles.


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11 Feb 2022, 12:08 pm

FairyFox wrote:
lot of ppl do not need to be vaxxed, because they re not risk group.
blanket vax mandate creates uncecessary tensions and backlash.
risk group /elderly, obese, people with comorbidities like diabetes, heart and lung conditions.
those people have to be persuaded, by their HP, to get vaxxed.
but, taking into account all the lies concerning the jab, why is anybody surprised?
my neighbor woman is working with elderly. She wasnt very sure about the jab, but in order to protect them,
she got jabbed twice. When it was finally evident that even vaxxed one can get infected and transmit covid, she said no more jabs for her, no more boosters.
so even vaxxed people could be anti vax, if they feel they were cheated.


I was in a high-risk group for having vaccine complications. My doctors weighed whether or not I could be safely vaccinated because I'm allergic to one of the compounds in mRNA vaccines. That allergy almost killed me several years ago when I was administered another drug made by one of the vaccine manufacturers. It occurred during a surgery. My allergic response led to a permanent physical disability because the veins in my organs started to burst. I required many more operations but have not fully recovered. I had several internal organs removed or artificially reconstructed to stay alive. I sued the drug manufacturer for negligence because they hadn't adequately tested their product in drug trials, and they used dangerous substances in the formulation of that product. After surviving that nightmare I later suffered two strokes because of blood clots. I also experience adverse reactions to all medications. I can't even take normal flu vaccines or Tylenol because they affect my heart (I have a congenital heart condition).

I had to weigh whether to risk my own life receiving a Covid vaccine (assuming at first it would only be one), or whether to risk my daughter's life by not getting one. She's extremely high-risk and immunocompromised with a permanent, progressive illness that shuts down her immune system. Getting Covid-19 could kill her because she can't fight infections. It was a very tough call deciding which of us was at more risk: me having the vaccine with an allergic ingredient, or her being at risk if I didn't. My doctor opted that I should have Pfizer -- but only Pfizer, and with lengthy monitoring afterward. As a single parent it was very scary for me to take that chance either way, but thank goodness it was fine. Then I had another Pfizer without incident a few months later. I haven't done a booster and I don't know if I will at this point.

I say this to show that people who choose not to vaxx aren't always / necessarily reckless rebels who want to antagonise others. There are valid reasons why some people choose not to vaxx and regardless, I believe it's a person's choice regarding any drug or substance they put into their body.

I don't like when people disparage against the unvaxxed with spiteful, judgemental comments like "If they want to die, let them die", or they make unsympathetic jokes that those people are stupid and it's their own fault if they get Covid. I've never heard an unvaxxed person say "I hope all the stupid vaccinated people hurry up and get their jab so they'll die, and I hope they'll regret it on their deathbed", or "If they get Covid it's their own fault for being vaccinated and thinking they were so smart ..."

The unvaxxed may try to teach people that vaccines are dangerous (in their opinion -- whether right or wrong), but they don't go around spreading hate or wishing illness / suffering upon others for their choice. Vaccinated people DO still get Covid and they ARE still carriers but they shame those who are unvaccinated. In fact it seems vaccinated people are far more likely to think they're immune to Coronavirus and carry on without social distancing, masking, or following other regulations. The few unvaxxed people I know take extreme precautions to stay home, avoid all other people, and be very conscientious because of their vulnerability.

Anyway - my point is that I'm pro-vaxx, pro-distancing, pro-masks, pro-disinfecting groceries, pro-keeping my child alive, and pro-everything except the shaming of people with different circumstances, or the forced injection of a drug into anyone's body without consent.


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11 Feb 2022, 12:11 pm

theprisoner wrote:
Whenever I hear people causally wish death on individuals,or groups, i take as a sign they harbour sadistic personality traits. My grandma is like that. Shes is a very bitter woman. lol. Quite prone to such sentiments. She's vaccinated btw. She gets all her shots.




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Has Turned Tribal; A Greatest

Danger of Being Human is the

Us Versus Them Dilemma That

Ranges From Gossip to Killing Fields
As We Stand today Seeing if today is
The Day Russia Invades Ukraine and

More Human Lives Are Destroyed There;

As It Plays on the Big World Stage Down to
the Microcosm of Little First Baptist Churches;
Where Yes, there is Gossip about Who has Been
Sleeping With Who Behind Who's Back; Yet There is

Not Usually Any Real Wars to the Death Among the
Pews of Group Think At Least in the Rather Small Churches...

As Sure, i've Studied This As A Participant Anthropology Observer;
As Actual Do'er, Singing the Gospel Singing With the Crowd (With Rave
Reviews By the way, Hehe; As i've Learned to Mix With Different Crowds
Quite Well in 61 Years of Autism Spectrum Trail, Trial, and Error Haha, as Really

As Temple
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It's Like Being
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As this Unusually Long Parenthetical Statement Ends too)

Anyway, Our Human Stories That We Adhere to Reflect Very Much
of What the Humans Condition is; And Will Come to Be in And Out of
the Halls of Tribalism and Group Think; A Great Example of this Are Widely
Accepted Religions That Champion A God of Love And "His" Emissaries/Masters,
All Forgiving, All Merciful, Until it Comes Eternal Forever the Day That 'He' And Or
'He' Condemns 'His' Enemies to Endless Torture if They Do Not Comply With the

Provided

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As True, 'We' Currently

See Amongst Folks Who

We Don't See As Us And

Suddenly Exclaim, F It, "Die Road
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Worth my Effort of Cognitive
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And Ignorance Are Misery and Suffering
Bedfellows Who Need a Lift Up Most; instead
of Being Sheep Changed to Goats And Burned Forever;

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Story Tellers
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Return and Come again...

It's the Human Condition...
Fascinating to Study These
Days More than ever to me...

My Mother Treated Us Mostly With Only Love...

My Grandmother Conversely, Was A Very Bitter Woman
Sadly too And Similarly Judgmental About People Who
are Different From the Norm; Yes, Mileage Varies, the

(She Was Afraid i Would Turn into "Liberace" Cause i Played Piano)

Mother Part Remains Most With me; my Father Went (When i was 3)
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Father Who was Cold too; Later After Getting Divorced And Abused, She Had to Waitress
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For Decades Now;

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Or Branches Living or Broken Later in Life, indeed...

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