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I was trying to empathize with gays, so that I'd learn something of the experience to desire my own gender. It was for you, Soph! What's the problem with upgrading my own understanding of the issues involved? Would you rather I remain more ignorant?

My country asks me to vote. And they ask me to vote by my beliefs. Are either of those things wrong? I'm not going to interfere with a gay pride demonstration -- everyone's got the right to free speech. Similarly, don't try to shut me up; I have a right to speak my opinion just as you do, as long as we do it calmly and rationally.



Whatever floats yer boat.

Because you shan't get to experience me darlin'

Or only with exceedingly hairy people.

well, it looked like you were stating that gays forced themselves to have that attraction, people who are different from us, would not take that statement in a good way, or at least they would have that interpretation, that if you really meant something else.

Calandale, I didn't know

yes im talking about the extreme end of the spectrum...

but for salvation's sake... so to speak... you're expected to deny any sort of gay feeling that you have... though most certainly, the mid-road bi people have an easier time getting into heaven

my point with that post was supposed to be that the restriction of absitnance is different that the restriction of your sexual attractions

cause ragtime was using his point that he abstains from sex as being on par with gay people (extreme cases or other) limiting their attraction to the opposite sex

they are not allignable, really

i didnt think what he said was bad.... just his attitude..

to come out demanding respect for your views when you dont give it in return..

i loled

i think your dancin could straighten her out (jk )

But that's my point: after God changes your heart to prioritize Him, it's not acting. It's real. I'm free to sin, and I'll be forgiven. But, deep down, I don't want to sin. Even though I'd be fully forgiven if I did.



I'm plagued with sinful feelings continually, but I pray, and He makes them bearable.
A person with gay inclinations could pray for God to lessen them, and He would. I personally know formerly gay people who have prayed to God for Him to lessen and quiet their gay feelings, and they say He has done so. If I got married, I wouldn't successful never lust after another woman till the day I die! But that doesn't mean I'm not on the right track in trying to be good! The Bible assures us we won't be perfect as Christians -- that's WHY Jesus HAD to die -- because we couldn't handle the burden of perfectly earning our way into eternal life.
God's rules are: If you're struggling with a sin, you're the victor, because he counts the will foremost. The Bible says all Christians struggle with sin. And further, it says that if you're not struggling with sin, you'd better stop right there and examine your life, because something isn't right. In that case, you're drifting placidly on a subtly accelerating stream which is headed for rapids ("trouble") and then the waterfall ("Hell").



No, Sopho's right. Being gay, as defined as "always having felt attraction to only the same sex" has nothing to do with hands-on experience. Sopho's quite gay indeed, without doing the rode-test.

Nor can I a lifetime relationship with a woman. That's why I could never make an informed decision to marry.

If it was right, yes. But as Paul said, I'd sacrifice my own place in Heaven if I could put someone else there instead. So when it comes to doing what's right, I'm beyond pathologically dedicated -- I'm dedicated through the almighty power of the spirit of God.

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the true measure of empathy would be for him to engage in homosexual relations in order to appease god.

that is what i sincerely doubt he could fathom.

i cannot nor could i pretend to do so... in actuality or "fathoming"

it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...

just to get into heaven.

Well, the following recommendation won't get her into Heaven, but: Joining a nunnery WILL get her the sex!

yes, you know you're missing the point....

Which is why I called him on making such a BS
statement, to begin with. The forum rules are
the forum rules. And we're not going to treat
someone any better (indeed, I really want to
treat whiners worse), for demanding that we
follow his rules.

Again, you know you're missing the point....