The Right's Contradiction

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1. Healthcare is provided to everyone regardless of their ability to pay - even in your country. It’s leaps and bounds better in every other developed nation, though. Seems bizarre to only provide healthcare to people with cash to pay for it. That’s why group insurance policies exist and in many countries it’s socialized group policies - like ours are Provincial in Canada. Everyone gets healthcare because everyone pays for it.

2. Can you provide any real world examples of when this has ever happened when it wasn’t due to a medical complication? Late stage abortions on a whim just because are almost non existent. They happen to save the life of the mother.

Go lookup their track record and report back with your findings.

My step-daughter, 24 weeks, Jacksonville, Fl. 2006

^ young, fit, just didn't like the way her body was changing. Waited and waited... Then, she had it aborted. I offered to raise the baby, she did not want her body altered only to get pregnant again one year later and I am currently raising that child.

Look up Swim Cloud, the stats are listed there too. Unless of course, just like everything else, only your sources are accurate.

Ok, so you have a personal grievance against your step daughter and so you paint everyone with the same brush. Got it.

Let’s resolve the other issue: Who in your life lost a swimming race to a trans woman?

Last edited by goldfish21 on 11 Apr 2023, 9:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I was wondering why her example was so specific. Now I know it's not like it's anything that she actually sees happen often, but her step-daughter did something she doesn't like almost 20 f*****g years ago so now obviously everyone is doing it.

Yip. Nailed it.

Still waiting to hear who lost a swimming race to a trans woman, tho.

Is it too late to put this derailed thread back on track?

Probably

This is how we reduce abortions, by stepping in and stepping up. So thank you.

We're on all the hot button topics, aren't we?

The problem with abortion laws is that trying to solve the issue POLITICALLY is, in my view, highly inappropriate. It throws a pail of freezing cold water over a doctor's choices when real complications exist, exposes women who miscarry to criminal prosecution, forces women to all sorts of medical and emotional risks, and does nothing to stop the elective abortions of women who have the means to travel.

We know now that we can draw the rate of abortion down to record low rates by more compassionate means, like good sex education, access to affordable birth control, and access to good healthcare. Countries like the Netherlands have proved the theory. Our politicians make all sorts of arguments against those policies, but that shows the hypocrisy in all of it, to me. The political pro-life movement WANTS to be punitive more than it wants to reduce unwanted pregnancies and save babies. There is no other way for me to see it.

I am pro-life; I always have been. I am NOT politically pro-life. My life experiences have made me STRONGLY pro-choice politically. I have known two women who had an abortions they did not want (one at age 12, one at 16), when it was illegal, forced into it by parents. Both always felt that had it been legal, their parents could not have forced them into. Abortion doesn't end when its illegal; it goes underground.

Most abortion stories are ones of heartbreak. I do also know ones of callous choice, but those women had the means to get their abortions in another country if they had to, and would have. Laws we write will never change the options those women will see for themselves.

I have helped other women choose life. Being there for someone is how we save babies. It's the right way.

Its funny because I abandoned the political pro-life movement back in college, over forty years ago, because I already knew too many personal stories to believe the law had any place at all in the decision. Funny how meeting a wide selection of different women in college does that to a person. It's only in the last decade that we have the data to back me up.

Well, it is a contradiction of the right to claim they are pro-life while hunkering down on policies that are more damaging than affirming. What we're seeing is how they ended up in that space, why they don't see it that way.

Side tracked, but not completely off, more too deep on tangents.

If we're talking about political positions, you cannot ignore the reality that it is children that actually get caught up in the net cast by the laws proposed, rarely adults. That's the reality, and I personally find it inappropriate to discuss political laws and mandates without seeing who they actually affect, intended target or not..

IMO, it is best to "put a needle in its paw".
It is the kindest thing to do.

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